TC Sub 'N' Up Octaver! New Octave Pedal!

[tfer]

I can open it on my computer, but it isn't really any use unless the pedal is attached...

Obviously there's a difference between the iOS editor, and a PC...

 

[soong]

Anyone copped the mini yet?

 

[moishelichtfuss]

Hi. Late to the party. I've been using a POG2 for years … and for only one thing, namely some organ-y intros. How's the Subnup doing in that area, since this would save quite a bit of space on my pedalboard.

 

[Stevorebob]

Hi. Late to the party. I've been using a POG2 for years … and for only one thing, namely some organ-y intros. How's the Subnup doing in that area, since this would save quite a bit of space on my pedalboard.

Much better. There's a reasonably convincing organ Toneprint for the Sub'n'Up.

 

[bassmonkeee]

Much better. There's a reasonably convincing organ Toneprint for the Sub'n'Up.

Yeah, the default Toneprint does exactly that.

 

[DrColossus68]

I really like the Polyphonic Organ Generator toneprint (maybe that is the default, can't remember anymore). It switches the Sub2 knob to a fast chorus which gives a nice Leslie sound.

 

[Rev J]

On this subject I use Cody Wrights toneprint with the dry, octave up, and octave one at noon with a chorus pedal always on. If you add a vibrato pedal or flanger it gets you pretty close.

C/S,
Rev J

 

[moishelichtfuss]

Well...ordered it yesterday. It cam today and I had the time to mess around with it a little, but the POG2 can't be beat for what I'm looking for. Those atmospheric organy layers really benefit from its warbly detune option and the possibility to adjust the attack swell. Back it goes. Will I ever get rid of this big EHX box?

 

[SumOne]

Perhaps I was naive but had hoped I could cut all except the 'sub' and it would play an octave lower and sound just as it would if I'd played an octave lower on the Bass (i.e. playing 'E' as the the 7th fret on the A string would sound just like playing the open E string), it doesn't do that though (or the 'up' equivalent) so I started off a bit disappointed. It is very customisable via toneprint and you can load pre-made tc electronic settings by phone app but it generally still plays an organ type tone, especially for the lower end, but there are plenty of positive things:

• Tracks well
• Good organ tones (if that's what you're after- I'm not though!)
• Works well when combined with a distortion pedal (and quite well with an envelope filter if you dial things in just right).
  • Just using 'Up' works quite well on higher D and G string notes, it doesn't sound exactly as if you were playing the Bass an octave higher (is a bit organ sounding) but putting it through a distortion pedal makes it sound very close to an electric guitar as it covers up the organ tones.
  • Using 'Dry' some 'Up' and some 'Sub', again is quite an organ type sound but put it through a distortion pedal for some heavy dirty sounding low end riffs (using Sub 2 tends to muddy things). Switching to 'Classic' gives some good glitchy tones.
• Lots of customisation via toneprint (usb transfer) or can transfer pre-made tc electronic settings via phone app.
  • Can be used as a modulation pedal: Assign the knobs, i.e. 'Up' = Modulation type, 'Sub' = Modulation speed, Sub 2' = Modulation depth.

Negative:

• Organ tones rather than true octave up/down Bass guitar sound.
• Polyphonic struggles a bit with chords.
• Only one toneprint setting stored on the pedal, you need to use the phone app to change that to a pre-made tc electronic one (not ideal during a live set), and you have to transfer your personalised toneprint setting from computer via usb (even worse during a live set!), so you'd pretty much want to settle on one toneprint setting for a live set.

Overall it's a very good pedal and well worth the price, just don't go expecting it to produce true Bass guitar tones an octave up/down.

 

[bassmonkeee]

Nothing is going to produce true bass guitar tones an octave up/down. It's simply not a realistic expectation. Certainly not at $150.

 

[SumOne]

Nothing is going to produce true bass guitar tones an octave up/down. It's simply not a realistic expectation. Certainly not at $150.

Yeah, like I said- I was being naive to expect that (especially at this price), and it is a good pedal for other things but it's worth pointing out that this (and the POG) provide up/down organ tones, they don't give very realistic up/down bass guitar tones. Just something worth considering as it's not made that clear in the sales info.

From TC Electronic website "Featuring our superb next generation octave-engine and individual blend controls for dry, octave-up and two sub-octaves, Sub 'N' Up is set to deliver flawless octave tones whether you're playing complex chords or groovy single-note lines. And with the option of adding modulation to the mix via our high-powered TonePrint editor, for spacey ambient octaves, Sub 'N' Up Octaver truly is the definition of pitch perfection."

 

[blujosh]

Interested to hear of anyone that has compared this to the POG family for soloed +1 octave fake guitar sounds á la Royal Blood?

From Youtube comparisons it seems the high end is rolled off quite a bit compared to the EHX, but of course that can be adjusted in the Toneprint editor. The adjustable EQ should even be a bonus, to roll off a bit off the harshness, which is possible with the very expensive POG2 but not the Micro/Nano POG. What I'm most interested in is can it produce a clean note that sounds like a guitar without glitching, and how is the latency vs the POG?

Hey all,

For those who have tried both the full sized and mini Sub'n'Up, is the toneprint editor (pc or mobile) the same on both? I'm looking into the mini hoping I could use it as a straight octave up pedal for that royal blood type deal (I'm not chasing that tone, just the effect).

wondering if anyone has had a chance to try the Sub n Up in this context yet - using just the polyphonic "octave up" with their bass guitar to cop some fake electric guitar sounds, particularly for fast tremolo picking/chord work. i've used both the EHX Mirco POG in the past, and am currently using the EHX Pitchfork for this in front of a guitar preamp/distortion pedal, and it works pretty good, but am always curious about what else works better. also wondering how if the Nano POG sounds any different than the Micro POG or Pitchfork in this context, or if it would sound the same as those.

 

[tfer]

wondering if anyone has had a chance to try the Sub n Up in this context yet - using just the polyphonic "octave up" with their bass guitar to cop some fake electric guitar sounds, particularly for fast tremolo picking/chord work. i've used both the EHX Mirco POG in the past, and am currently using the EHX Pitchfork for this in front of a guitar preamp/distortion pedal, and it works pretty good, but am always curious about what else works better. also wondering how if the Nano POG sounds any different than the Micro POG or Pitchfork in this context, or if it would sound the same as those.

I do this fairly regularly with the Sub 'N Up, but it has a synthy, ringing, quality that keeps it from sounding much like a guitar when clean.

With overdrive, I add enough up octave to add harmonic content, and can adequately substitute for a guitar when there's enough of my band's sound to distract your ears.

 

[blujosh]

I do this fairly regularly with the Sub 'N Up, but it has a synthy, ringing, quality that keeps it from sounding much like a guitar when clean.

With overdrive, I add enough up octave to add harmonic content, and can adequately substitute for a guitar when there's enough of my band's sound to distract your ears.

thanks for the reply. have you used the micro/nano pog and/or the pitchfork for this use? wondering how they compare.

 

[tfer]

Used the POG. It's very similar.

 

[blujosh]

I do this fairly regularly with the Sub 'N Up, but it has a synthy, ringing, quality that keeps it from sounding much like a guitar when clean.

With overdrive, I add enough up octave to add harmonic content, and can adequately substitute for a guitar when there's enough of my band's sound to distract your ears.

Used the POG. It's very similar.

has anyone compared the Pitchfork against the Sub N Up for octave up "fake electric guitar" playing with a bass? again this would be for fast picking/chord playing with a guitar preamp/distortion pedal following the octave pedal. i'm really attracted to the size of the Sub N Up mini, but just want to make sure it's not going to sound worse than what i'm currently using - the Pitchfork.

 

[zontar]

I do this fairly regularly with the Sub 'N Up, but it has a synthy, ringing, quality that keeps it from sounding much like a guitar when clean.

With overdrive, I add enough up octave to add harmonic content, and can adequately substitute for a guitar when there's enough of my band's sound to distract your ears.

I use the octave up & turn down the 2 down octaves & mix in the bass itself when playing at church if I am playing with only one guitar--it fills in the sound--and adds a "keyboardness" that is missing if we don' have a keyboard player that week.

Works well, especially with a bit of chorus.

 

[the low one]

I know you can use the tone print to change things but what's the basic tone of the SUB knob like? I've used the OC2 in the past, and now have the MXR BOD with the different Growl and Girth tones. Is the SUB more middy like the OC2 or MXR Growl, or smoother like the MXR Girth or EBS ?

 

[Mr. voodoobass]

No it's like neither of those. Sub is more bassy or floppy

 

[ToS]

Fresh owner of a sub'n'up here. Have to agree that it is a cool organ sim, quite a bit of latency but much better than Boss PS-6.
I have to share some negative points:

• Android application is unuseable,
• Desktop editor will only allow editing one device at a time,
• There is no way to transfer your custom presets from desktop to mobile to be able to apply those on the road,
• sharing preset between people is a no-no,

Android

• checks for updates every time you start it (a considerable delay if you are in between songs),
• drains your battery if you don't kill the app forcefully (which infers a delay on each startup)
• scrolling the list of pedals is horribly glitchy (but you can't hide devices you don't own)
• every time you go back a menu, you have to scroll
• not using back button on a device

Can't fathom how they managed to use this in the marketing purpose and that it did not fire back.