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Tech 21 at NAMM

I've been thinking about getting one of these or holding off for the VT. What I would do is run it into the front of my amp (LMII) and use the amp's eq to compensate for room acoustics. That way the Sansamp shouldn't need tweaking. This also means if you can't use your amp for some reason, like using it as a DI, or in the studio, even just for home practice, you'll always have 'your' sound.

BTW, my other option I'm thinking about is the TC Nova Drive as I'm looking for a versatile OD more than amp sim.

I've had a really hard time finding a decent distortion pedal to use with the LMII. Every unit I've tried using so far tended to sound a bit muffled. I've had the Boss ODB-3, the TC Nova Drive, Ibanez PD-7, Fulltone Bass Driver, Tech 21 BDDI and the Tech 21 VT Bass.

I can't complain because the LMII sounds great, it's just that it doesn't do distorted tones very well. In the end I've settled on the VT for the tone coloring and a Danelectro Transparent OD to give me a very mild boost that will add just a hint of edgy od but not so much as to muck things up.

As for the 'od' tone I'm after look up Nomeansno, The Jesus Lizard and Tad on the Youtube and you'll see that I'm not looking for full on 'grind', but just a bit of break up without getting muddy. Which kind of sucks because I was really hoping that the Nova Drive was going to work. The OD side worked well, it's just the Distortion side that didn't sound too great with the LMII. So, for the price, it just wasn't worth it when I can just get a normal OD for a fraction of the price of the TC pedal.
 
It's strange Tech 21 decided to add switchable speaker cab emulation to the regular VT Bass but not the deluxe version.

Actually, there is no evidence that Tech21 will add the switchable option on the original VT Bass or any of the other original Character Series pedals.

And, FYI don't expect the VT Bass Deluxe for a least 2 months!!!!!
 
tech 21 likes to use the same chassis for everything. i have a feeling new vt's will have it.

you know, at first i thought it was silly to have cab emulation switchable, and i still see no point in doing it for guitar, but i'm thinking it makes sense for a bassist. if you like high freqs, svt's do sound good speaker di'd.

i've got no interest in it, though. 4-5k rolloff has served me well for 35 years, it'll serve me well a few more.
 
I've had a really hard time finding a decent distortion pedal to use with the LMII. Every unit I've tried using so far tended to sound a bit muffled. I've had the Boss ODB-3, the TC Nova Drive, Ibanez PD-7, Fulltone Bass Driver, Tech 21 BDDI and the Tech 21 VT Bass.

I can't complain because the LMII sounds great, it's just that it doesn't do distorted tones very well. In the end I've settled on the VT for the tone coloring and a Danelectro Transparent OD to give me a very mild boost that will add just a hint of edgy od but not so much as to muck things up.

As for the 'od' tone I'm after look up Nomeansno, The Jesus Lizard and Tad on the Youtube and you'll see that I'm not looking for full on 'grind', but just a bit of break up without getting muddy. Which kind of sucks because I was really hoping that the Nova Drive was going to work. The OD side worked well, it's just the Distortion side that didn't sound too great with the LMII. So, for the price, it just wasn't worth it when I can just get a normal OD for a fraction of the price of the TC pedal.

I rather like the Tube Screamer model in my Zoom B9.1ut, blended with clean for a little bit of dirty bite. Think of it a little bit cleaner than Billy Sheehan's regular 'grind' tone. But I'm fed up lugging the thing around for a handful of sounds I rarely use!

Apparently the TC Nova Drive can get that Billy esque grind quite well. I really need to try one out to see if the distortion side works for me.
 
I've had a really hard time finding a decent distortion pedal to use with the LMII. Every unit I've tried using so far tended to sound a bit muffled. I've had the Boss ODB-3, the TC Nova Drive, Ibanez PD-7, Fulltone Bass Driver, Tech 21 BDDI and the Tech 21 VT Bass.

I can't complain because the LMII sounds great, it's just that it doesn't do distorted tones very well. In the end I've settled on the VT for the tone coloring and a Danelectro Transparent OD to give me a very mild boost that will add just a hint of edgy od but not so much as to muck things up.

As for the 'od' tone I'm after look up Nomeansno, The Jesus Lizard and Tad on the Youtube and you'll see that I'm not looking for full on 'grind', but just a bit of break up without getting muddy. Which kind of sucks because I was really hoping that the Nova Drive was going to work. The OD side worked well, it's just the Distortion side that didn't sound too great with the LMII. So, for the price, it just wasn't worth it when I can just get a normal OD for a fraction of the price of the TC pedal.

Hey man! TAD rocks! They're my favorite band. I can tell you exactly how Kurt Danielson got his bass sound because i talk to him often, and i asked him about that kind of stuff in the past. So just PM me or something. :bassist::D
 
tech 21 likes to use the same chassis for everything. i have a feeling new vt's will have it.

you know, at first i thought it was silly to have cab emulation switchable, and i still see no point in doing it for guitar, but i'm thinking it makes sense for a bassist. if you like high freqs, svt's do sound good speaker di'd.

i've got no interest in it, though. 4-5k rolloff has served me well for 35 years, it'll serve me well a few more.

Me too, I am using my VT as an "always on" preamp, not as an effect really.

I have no need for a switch to turn off anything on the VT.
 
As for the 'od' tone I'm after look up Nomeansno, The Jesus Lizard and Tad on the Youtube and you'll see that I'm not looking for full on 'grind', but just a bit of break up without getting muddy. Which kind of sucks because I was really hoping that the Nova Drive was going to work. The OD side worked well, it's just the Distortion side that didn't sound too great with the LMII. So, for the price, it just wasn't worth it when I can just get a normal OD for a fraction of the price of the TC pedal.
Rusty Box. I ran one through a LMII with a Jazz Bass and was getting the Jesus Lizard tone no problem.

 
sims of j.lizard uses tube ampeg and rat. wwrong of NMN uses marshall. do not know about pedals.
i couple nickel roundwounds w/ ampeg to get that sound.

have no idea about doyle's band. had no chance of seeing them live.

cheers

That's interesting. I always thought sims used a GK, but i guess I'm wrong haha. Are you the one who wanted to know how to get the bass sound from TAD? Because i talk to the bassist a lot, so i can tell you if you wish
 
That's interesting. I always thought sims used a GK, but i guess I'm wrong haha. Are you the one who wanted to know how to get the bass sound from TAD? Because i talk to the bassist a lot, so i can tell you if you wish

It's funny, I have a JL DVD (from a '94 concert) and at the time he was using a GK 800RB head. I think he had 2 cabs that were 1x15" each and I believe that he did use a Rat (Kim Gordon from Sonic Youth uses one also).

As far as Rob from Nomeansno, he uses a Marshall Valvestate head (no lie). By sheer coincidence, when I first started playing bass (switching from guitar) I had the same amp and when we played live, I had his tone nailed down.

So yeah Flipper, if you post a few details on the Tad bass rig, that would be super cool. I've looked around for a copy of the Tad documentary locally but haven't found any yet (I'd order one online but I keep forgetting about it)
 
tech 21 likes to use the same chassis for everything. i have a feeling new vt's will have it.

you know, at first i thought it was silly to have cab emulation switchable, and i still see no point in doing it for guitar, but i'm thinking it makes sense for a bassist. if you like high freqs, svt's do sound good speaker di'd.

i've got no interest in it, though. 4-5k rolloff has served me well for 35 years, it'll serve me well a few more.

Ahh but those HiFi cabs you're getting may expand your outlook on this.
 
I rather like the Tube Screamer model in my Zoom B9.1ut, blended with clean for a little bit of dirty bite. Think of it a little bit cleaner than Billy Sheehan's regular 'grind' tone. But I'm fed up lugging the thing around for a handful of sounds I rarely use!

Apparently the TC Nova Drive can get that Billy esque grind quite well. I really need to try one out to see if the distortion side works for me.

You might want to try one of those little Dano overdrives. I got pretty much identical results as the OD section of the Nova Drive. For me, the Distortion side just ended up sounding fizzy and not at all pleasing. You also have to realize that this is all coming from a guy who used to run a Deucetone Rat into a Zoom B2 into a Sansamp Bass Driver, so I reallllllly like gain on bass. :D

It's just that for some bizarre reason, it's been next to impossible to find a distortion pedal that will play nicely with the LMII. (I've tried the same pedals on other bass amps and gotten great results but plug the same pedal into the Little Mark II and it's 100% different. I have no idea why, it just is :hmm: ).
 
It's funny, I have a JL DVD (from a '94 concert) and at the time he was using a GK 800RB head. I think he had 2 cabs that were 1x15" each and I believe that he did use a Rat (Kim Gordon from Sonic Youth uses one also).

As far as Rob from Nomeansno, he uses a Marshall Valvestate head (no lie). By sheer coincidence, when I first started playing bass (switching from guitar) I had the same amp and when we played live, I had his tone nailed down.

So yeah Flipper, if you post a few details on the Tad bass rig, that would be super cool. I've looked around for a copy of the Tad documentary locally but haven't found any yet (I'd order one online but I keep forgetting about it)

Yeah, you can watch the TAD documentary at veoh.com for free. Just type in "Tad busted circuts and ringing ears". It doesn't tell you how to get the bass sound(s) Kurt Danielson had, though :(. The only reason i know the details is because I'm a friend of his and i used to have a lot of curiosity about his sound haha.

Well, he had a few awesome different sounds. I'm not sure which one you're talking about, but I'm guessing it's either the one on "Inhaler" or "Infrared Riding Hood", so I'll just describe both of those. I'll describe them in order of albums.

His tone on "Inhaler" comes first.
First of all, for the bass, he used his infamous rust colored `62 Fender P-bass with a black pick-guard. It had active EMG pickups in it, if memory serves right. He used a pick as far as technique goes.
For the rig, it was somewhat complex (not anything near the Infrared Riding Hood sound though! You'll see what i mean..).
He used a Hi-Watt DR-103 all tube guitar head that was modified for bass. He ran an original 90's made in England Marshall Guv'nor pedal through the Hi-Watt head, that was his distorted signal. He also had a vintage Ampeg SVT-II running as his clean sound. Both of these heads were running into the same Sunn 4x12 guitar cab. In order to run the two heads into that amp, he used a morley A/B/Y box. That's how he got the "Inhaler" sound.

Now for the "Infrared" sound...
He used three different basses for the recording of this album; The same `62 P-bass with active EMG pickups, and a black pick-guard (this one was tuned to E standard, but tuned to D on the E string), a black Fender P/J bass with a white pick-guard and active EMG pickups (this bass was tuned C-G-C-G, and intonated for that tuning), and a black Fender Jazz bass with a red pick-guard and active EMG pickups.
For his clean sound, he used two Mesa/Boogie 400+ all tube heads. Each of them were hooked up to separate Mesa/Boogie 8x10 & 1x15 speakers (one 8x10 and one 1x15 for each head). Again, that was his "clean" sound, but it was naturally overdriven just a bit. He used a Morley A/B/Y box to hook up the two Mesa's. For his distorted signal, he was simultaneously running an old 60's 50-watt Ampeg B-15 all tube head through a single 1x15 cabinet (the one that the B-15's came hooked up to), and the B-15 head had the same original 90's Marshall Guv'nor running through it, with the gain all the way up, and the mids turned all the way down. Now, all three amps were recorded at the same time. What he did to do this was he sent one chord to one Mesa/Boogie 400+, and on the other output of the A/B/Y box, he used a "Y" chord. One end of the Y chord went to the other Mesa, and the other end went through the Marshall Guv'nor, and into the B-15. After he recorded the track with all three of those amps, he would put another track over it. he went direct into the recording console/ mixing board with his Sansamp BDDI (the 90's version that you had to un-screw the back to get to the controls). He used it to get a "distorted tube-like" tone.
He told me that in this tone, you can't focus too much on one piece of gear, because the sound was made up of three different elements, and therefore each of the elements played an equal part in getting that sound. Get me?

Anyway, that's how he got those two tones. I tried to be as descriptive as i could, so let me know if it helped out any, and if you have questions, than feel free to ask. See ya man.
 

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