danny, you make me want the pedal more.....
Sheep trapped in another sheep sounds like it would be awesome......
i played a passive warwick that sounded like that today. it was pissing me off. couldnt get ANY attack out of it no matter what i did.
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Tech 21 VT Bass
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i played a passive warwick that sounded like that today. it was pissing me off. couldnt get ANY attack out of it no matter what i did.
I love my VT Bass, it totally owns the BDDI (IMO), although I find the character knob, to only be useful to me between 9 and 12:30. Other than that, I'm very happy with mine.
Oh and the Rage setting sounds dump and nothing like Tim Commerford, well at least with my set up it does
Oh and the Rage setting sounds dump and nothing like Tim Commerford, well at least with my set up it does
I'm glad I decided to take another look through this thread. I'm thinking about doing this myself, since I'm not a great fan of my Ashdown ABM. It's good with the VT Bass infront of it, but if the VT Bass running direct into my sound card is anything to go by, it'll sound even better with the preamp completely out of the equation.
Cheers, until now I had no idea I could completely bypass the preamp, not something I'd really considered doing before.
So has anyone actually tried this, how did it sound?
EDIT: Never mind, I should have just carried on reading.
This is exactly what I was looking for! Good to hear, thanks for sharing your experience
For those that own both if you set each to a "model" such as SVT or Fat Tube do they sound the same? In other words, are the "models" more accurate with the VT?
I take it you mean the VT Bass and the BDDI?
I've not actually tried comparing the recommended settings, that come with the two, I could give it a go at rehersal on Tuesday if I can find my BDDI manual.
Regardless, to my ears at least, the VT Bass sounds a fair bit closer to what I recognise as the SVT sound.
I recently decided to try an experiment
I wanted to assemble a pedal board which:
1) Has a great DI
2) Has 2 channels so I can balance the output of the 2 basses I gig with... A passive Fender Jazz & a MM SR5.
3) Sounded good enough, that it could replace my rig. (Less to schlep!)
4) Tonally flexible, SVT emulator sort of thing.
So, I bought:
1) a Radial Bassbone
2) a Tech21 VT Bass
I've set up the board where I've got the VT Bass & my Aphex Punch Factory running thru the effects loop of the Bassbone.
The VT is very flexible... I think the SVT mode sounds like JPJ doing "Ramble On". The Warm Tube mode sounds like a generic tube amp. The "FlipTop" mode is probably my favorite, & think I'll even find uses for the "Rage" setup. I can go from a big fat fluffy sound of Sublime's "What I Got", to nasty crunch of RATM's "Bull On Parade", which a couple of twists of a knob.
The Bassbone is a rather nice unit as well, but I'm only using it for its dual channel functionality. But, I can always turn off
the effects loop if I want a straight clean Bass only tone.
Thus far I've just been testing it in the basement, running it into my amp. I must say, I'm VERY pleased thus far. The board goes to rehearsal tomorrow, for its maiden voyage for running it into a board... I'm really eager to try this out, & see if it works as well as I think it's going to.
I wanted to assemble a pedal board which:
1) Has a great DI
2) Has 2 channels so I can balance the output of the 2 basses I gig with... A passive Fender Jazz & a MM SR5.
3) Sounded good enough, that it could replace my rig. (Less to schlep!)
4) Tonally flexible, SVT emulator sort of thing.
So, I bought:
1) a Radial Bassbone
2) a Tech21 VT Bass
I've set up the board where I've got the VT Bass & my Aphex Punch Factory running thru the effects loop of the Bassbone.
The VT is very flexible... I think the SVT mode sounds like JPJ doing "Ramble On". The Warm Tube mode sounds like a generic tube amp. The "FlipTop" mode is probably my favorite, & think I'll even find uses for the "Rage" setup. I can go from a big fat fluffy sound of Sublime's "What I Got", to nasty crunch of RATM's "Bull On Parade", which a couple of twists of a knob.
The Bassbone is a rather nice unit as well, but I'm only using it for its dual channel functionality. But, I can always turn off
the effects loop if I want a straight clean Bass only tone.
Thus far I've just been testing it in the basement, running it into my amp. I must say, I'm VERY pleased thus far. The board goes to rehearsal tomorrow, for its maiden voyage for running it into a board... I'm really eager to try this out, & see if it works as well as I think it's going to.
I'm glad I decided to take another look through this thread. I'm thinking about doing this myself, since I'm not a great fan of my Ashdown ABM. It's good with the VT Bass infront of it, but if the VT Bass running direct into my sound card is anything to go by, it'll sound even better with the preamp completely out of the equation.
Cheers, until now I had no idea I could completely bypass the preamp, not something I'd really considered doing before.
So has anyone actually tried this, how did it sound?
EDIT: Never mind, I should have just carried on reading.
This is exactly what I was looking for! Good to hear, thanks for sharing your experience
Hi Guys,
Sorry to show my ignorance here but could someone tell me the correct way to run my VT pedal through the effects loop on my LM2 ? I am currently running into the front of the amp in this order: Fender 2008 Am Std> Korg Pitchblack> Boss CEB-3 chorus>VT Bass> Boss LMB-3 limiter/enhancer>LM2. Thanks for the help.
If you want to bypass the preamp in your LMII completely, I'd try going with the same pedal order you already have, but instead of pluging into the LMII input from the Limiter/Enhancer, plug into the LM II effects loop return instead.
However, if you just want to run your VT Bass after your LMII preamp but not bypass it completely, there is no real "correct way" per se, only general consensus and what works best for you.
Most people, tend to put only modulation (chorus, phaser, flanger etc) and time-based effects (reverb, delay) in the effects loop, since they often work just as well if not better, when run after the preamp. Generally, filter effects (wahs, envelop filters etc), pitch shifting and harmoniser effects and overdrive-based effects (distortion, fuzz etc) tend to work better infront of the preamp and don't fair too well for most people in the effects loop. The latter would include the VT Bass, though with the drive at 0 it may not count as it only shapes tone then.
Bascially, there are no concrete rules, with regard to effect placement, before or after the premap. For instance Tom Morello of RATM, runs a wah and Whammy pedal in his effects loop with great success. The only right way, is what ever sounds best to you. Just experiment a bit and see what you like the most
Just ordered one from ebay. I couldnt wait for the online stores to get them in. I am very excited, cant wait to hear what it sounds like with my overdrive and fuzz pedals.
Yes, that is what I meant. I could get my PBDDI sounding like a hot SVT although once the band kicked in it got lost.
I liked the Fat Tube setting best. I am wondering how much different these specific settings are on each unit.
Only thing I have to add -
I have a EBS MultiComp and EBS Octabass with the VT on the pedalboard. I originally ran:
Bass ->Octabass->MultiComp->VT-> LMII->Cab; but tried:
Bass->MultiComp->Octabass->VT Pedal->LMII-> Cab
thinking the Octaver would work better off the compressed signal. For whatever reasons, got the most horrendous feedback and had to crank the the VT's drive knob down to almost to 2 (the "8 o'clock position").
Can one of you see if you can get the VT to approximate the tone that Dug Pinnick gets in the beginning of Summerland (as well as during Ty's solo) in this video?
King's X - HoB 2000 - Summerland
If so, can you post the settings?
I haven't been able to cop that real gritty/fizzy top end mixed with that deep bass that Dug gets using my SansAmp BDDI. In the above video his bass reminds me of a Hammond B3.
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King's X - HoB 2000 - Summerland
If so, can you post the settings?
I haven't been able to cop that real gritty/fizzy top end mixed with that deep bass that Dug gets using my SansAmp BDDI. In the above video his bass reminds me of a Hammond B3.
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If you want to bypass the preamp in your LMII completely, I'd try going with the same pedal order you already have, but instead of pluging into the LMII input from the Limiter/Enhancer, plug into the LM II effects loop return instead.
However, if you just want to run your VT Bass after your LMII preamp but not bypass it completely, there is no real "correct way" per se, only general consensus and what works best for you.
Most people, tend to put only modulation (chorus, phaser, flanger etc) and time-based effects (reverb, delay) in the effects loop, since they often work just as well if not better, when run after the preamp. Generally, filter effects (wahs, envelop filters etc), pitch shifting and harmoniser effects and overdrive-based effects (distortion, fuzz etc) tend to work better infront of the preamp and don't fair too well for most people in the effects loop. The latter would include the VT Bass, though with the drive at 0 it may not count as it only shapes tone then.
Bascially, there are no concrete rules, with regard to effect placement, before or after the premap. For instance Tom Morello of RATM, runs a wah and Whammy pedal in his effects loop with great success. The only right way, is what ever sounds best to you. Just experiment a bit and see what you like the most
gibsualdo, sorry but I had a follow up question. So if I go from the limiter out to the effects loop return, what goes into the send input ? Sorry for these questions, but I've never used an effects loop and I don't want to damage the amp.
No problem man, that's what these forums are for
To answer your question, nothing. Leave the effects loop send empty. All the send does, is take the signal from your amp's preamp, so you can run it through the pedals in the effects loop.
From the VT Bass manual said:
Don't worry, so long as you follow the instructions properly, your amp should be perfectly safe.
No problem man, that's what these forums are for
To answer your question, nothing. Leave the effects loop send empty. All the send does, is take the signal from your amp's preamp, so you can run it through the pedals in the effects loop.
Don't worry, so long as you follow the instructions properly, your amp should be perfectly safe.
Ok, thanks again...I did see that instruction in the manual, but I had a total misunderstanding of the send/return and how that gets connected. I'll try this again tonight. I do like the sound going directly into the front of the LM2, I just wanted to see what the difference was.
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ok, I had decided to buy a vt bass pedal, because I wanted the svt sound. well, a buddy of mine messed with my amp today because he knew I didnt like the tone and after hew was tweaking the eq for a few minutes, I told him to stop, told him THAT was the sound I wanted. He looked surprised and disgusted and asked, you want THAT sound... it sounds like a f*$%ing ampeg.
so I no longer need the vt for the ampeg sound. I do however want some fuzz, and some overdrive so I don't have to actually turn up the gain knob on my amp in between (or worse yet during) songs. Is the vt still the way to go? or is it more money than I need to spend for what I now want?
so I no longer need the vt for the ampeg sound. I do however want some fuzz, and some overdrive so I don't have to actually turn up the gain knob on my amp in between (or worse yet during) songs. Is the vt still the way to go? or is it more money than I need to spend for what I now want?
Jimmy's opinion here is probably better than mine, but I'd say some overdrive, yes - fuzz, not so much. The Character and Drive knobs will give somewhat of the "raging SVT" sound people rave about. If you're looking for fuzz, you may want to try a Fulltone Bass Drive MOSFET, it has a bunch of different overdrive sounds in it. Also Ibanez makes a pretty decent pedal for OD & fuzz, I think it's called a Phat Bass, not sure though. I tried one about two years ago, but I went with the Fulltone at the time, as I'm more into a clunk sound than a fuzz sound. At any rate, good luck and try as many pedals as you can before you buy. Get what's good for your ears, not mine or anybody else's...
thanks JSk, and I agree with going by my ears instead of yours, but theres nowhere around here to try pedals out , let alone one thats going to let me drag my 810 in there. So I'm stuck asking you guys, then trying to make an educated decision from there :]
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