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The 2008 Stanley Cup Playoff Thread

OK, so during game play you can change lines as much as you want. Just make sure you don't get caught in a switch like the Pens did when Samuelsson scored his first goal! :eek:

It is just during a stop in play that the home team has an advantage in line changes since they go second. Wow, I can see that being an advantage for sure.

-Mike

Except if home team commits an icing...

Wings 1st goal the other night was a result of the Pens being unable to get the puck deep, so the Pens forwards were able to change (remember 2nd period, bench is at opposition end), but dmen were unable to reach the bench, had to retreat and were left out there, exhausted.

The 2nd period is very unkind to a lot of teams.
 
OK, so during game play you can change lines as much as you want. Just make sure you don't get caught in a switch like the Pens did when Samuelsson scored his first goal! :eek:

It is just during a stop in play that the home team has an advantage in line changes since they go second. Wow, I can see that being an advantage for sure.

-Mike

Indeed it is a huge advantage. The Pens put Crosby on and then the Wings can counter with Lidstrom and Draper to shut him down defensively.

And one thing people some times forget: the players know when the TV time outs are, so they can ice the puck, take the TV time out and stay out there for the next shift after the time out! It doesn't happen all the time, but on occasion it does.
 
Wings 1st goal the other night was a result of the Pens being unable to get the puck deep, so the Pens forwards were able to change (remember 2nd period, bench is at opposition end), but dmen were unable to reach the bench, had to retreat and were left out there, exhausted.

Yep, I saw the wingers heading for the bench with the d-men right behind them. As soon as they realized the puck didn't get clear to the the other end, they hightailed it back to their zone. They were tired, and the shift change players were slow in making it down the ice because they got behind the shift change. I didn't even need the TV guys to tell me that. They had an awesome camera view on that goal, and it totally showed the flubbed shift change.

-Mike
 
Yep, I saw the wingers heading for the bench with the d-men right behind them. As soon as they realized the puck didn't get clear to the the other end, they hightailed it back to their zone. They were tired, and the shift change players were slow in making it down the ice because they got behind the shift change. I didn't even need the TV guys to tell me that. They had an awesome camera view on that goal, and it totally showed the flubbed shift change.

-Mike

it would have been a good moment for a Pens Scudderi to take a penalty their, just bring Samuelsson down. He had so much momentum there was no way they were gonna turn and stay with him, they shoulda just tripped him.

I see they've put Malone in with Crosby tonight, and Roberts is back. Sid not enjoying getting knocked around I guess... Pens are making line changes for the first time in all playoff rounds.
 
And one thing people some times forget: the players know when the TV time outs are, so they can ice the puck, take the TV time out and stay out there for the next shift after the time out! It doesn't happen all the time, but on occasion it does.

Yup. TV time outs happen at the first stoppage of play after the 14:00, 10:00, and 6:00 minute marks, I believe. There are certain exceptions. For example, there are no TV time outs during power plays.
 
MJ5150, the other advantage the home team has is that the visiting team is supposed to put their stick on the ice first during the faceoff. It's not as talked about as having last change, but it is another slight edge for the home team.

Pens' Roberts is in, tonight. Wings' Franzen is playing tonight, as well, per TSN... who's confusing everyone by saying that he was out of the game roughly an hour ago, and then changed the story to say he's in. Franzen's another big body, solid defensively, plays the PK and the 2nd PP unit. Oh, and for some reason, he's scored 27 goals in his last 27 games (through the regular season, and into the playoffs--including 2 hat tricks during the 4 game Colorado playoff series). It'll be interesting to see how he does tonight.

I expect a great effort from the Penguins today. They're going to come out of the gate charging. From what I've read, they're planning on playing a more dump-and-chase style game. Should be some fun!
 
ESPN is also reporting that Franzen will be playing. I hope they aren't rushing him back, and the guy really is alright. Concussion like symptoms are scary. I've seen too many guys pushed back on the field too soon in the NFL.

-Mike
 
Well, will the Pens score a goal this series? The Red wings defensive dominance was unreal, I don't think Pittsburgh had ten even strength shots on goal! Detroit not only has a great Blue line, but their forwards are great back checkers. I just don't think the Pens have seen this kind of defense.
 
Dammit, I missed the game for a shopping spree with the fiancee. Did Sid get knocked around a bunch (I hope, I hope, I hope)? Not wishing for anything bad to happen to him, but I loved seeing him get knocked on his @$$ in game 1.
 
I think Detroit showed something, tonight. Penguins' coach was a little overly-whiney after Game 2. He flat-out called Osgood a "diver," and Kronwall a "dirty player." I hate to say it, but the Penguins got, suffice to say a little, out-played.
 
I think Detroit showed something, tonight. Penguins' coach was a little overly-whiney after Game 2. He flat-out called Osgood a "diver," and Kronwall a "dirty player." I hate to say it, but the Penguins got, suffice to say a little, out-played.

the truth is, Pens have huge amount of talent, enough to win a cup, and Michel Therrien is being massively out-coached. He has no winning experience against a team this good and his pre game and in game line changes have been completely ineffective. I think Ossie did embellish on Malone, but the game was over. Sykora I don't think so, but who cares, Pens were out of control at that point. Putting Roberts in at this point is an awful decision. Roberts plays tough, but cannot resist taking dumb penalties.

What is going on with Evgeni Malkin? The guy has gotten all the way to the Cup finals and quit? They were saying that Therrien has had personal meetings with Malkin and that you have to be gentle with him and treat him with respect etc.? My take is that something personal has happened. Either the coach has bitched him, he's tired of the attention on Crosby when he's clearly the Pens best player, or it's a hideous display of lack in maturity. Either one is not good and if Pens are going to win at home, they gotta fix him.

Said it before, Wings defense sees uptempo forwards for 90% of the season and knows how to handle them. West Coast is also way more physical. Pens have problems here, but u never know. One deflection goal at home and Pens could be back in it...
 
I'll start by restating my comparison of the Pens to the 1983 Oilers - they got manhandled by the Islanders to learn what it took to win a cup, then went on to win 4 of the next five. The Pens have a crapload of UFA's on their roster (I've heard as high as 14, but haven't bothered to check, so if that's off I apologize). That's going to be difficult to keep that roster together, but if they can...

JimK - side note in reference to your Red Army comment - apparently some of Ozzie's helmets were obtained from the Red Army team by a connection the team masseuse had with them. Maybe he's channelling Vladislav Tretiak from the 80's?

On to the games. First, the wings defense has been sensational most of the time, though Lilja had a typical screw-up with his wipeout, fortunately the Pens didn't capitalize. Not the first time Lilja has done something like that, won't be the last this series I'm sure. If there's a weak spot in the Wings D, it's Lilja. When the Pens have had their scant chances, Ozzie has been phenomenal, though in fairness, the Pens have blown a few chances.

Game 1 - the Holmstrom call was wrong. Period. Watch the overhead view on tsn.ca - Fleury skated out of the crease, and the stick wasn't in between his legs until he came out of the crease. In regards to the comment about Homer being called 6 times in the regular season, I saw all six. Two were good calls, one was blatantly wrong, and the other three were... shall I say, marginal calls at best.

Regardless, the Wings pretty much shut down the Pens with some great penalty killing. If the Pens convert on one or more of those early powerplays, the game takes on a different tone entirely. Overall, the Wings just outplayed them. The low shot total by the Pens in the 2nd and 3rd is illustrating how strong the Wings' blueline is, and the commitment of their forwards to backchecking. Draper's shot that hit the left post, rode the crossbar, then hit the right post was one of the craziest post shots I've ever seen.

Game 2 - Filppula's goal was a beauty, scoring despite the hook which would have been called. Again, the Pens blew a few chances, but not getting their first shot on goal until they had a PP in the second half of the first, was very telling. If the home ice line changes don't help the Pens with the matchups, they're in deep trouble. I noticed Sid whining to the ref several times, and Therrien's postgame comments, while an obvious attempt to take the heat of his underperforming (to put it mildly) stars, came across as one of the biggest examples of gratuitious whining by a coach in years. Your team was outplayed, own up to it, make the adjustments, and take care of it on the ice if you can.

The shot by Roberts on Franzen's head was cheap and classless. Admittedly one could make the argument that Laraque should have been in the lineup, then his hit would have had more impact, but then again, Laraque, while a heavy hitter, doesn't take the cheap shots. Sykora's run at Ozzie was out of line, but not unexpected at that point, and I'll agree that Ozzie embellished the run by Malone a bit, but no more than any other goalie would have. I hate cheap play by any team, and I'll be very disappointed if either a Wings player is injured by a cheap shot or the Wings feel forced to retaliate and take a cheap shot on the Pens. Note that clean open ice checks are NOT cheap shots. And, if a player does not leave his feet to initiate the his, it's not cheap. In many cases, a player is off his feet after the initial contact due to the momentum of the check - that's fine, regardless of who's delivering or receiving. Leaving your feet before initial contact is cheap.

And, in the sweet irony department, after the late hit on Zetterberg, it was none other than Pavel Datsyuk who stepped in. That's right, the two time defending Lady Byng winner, and current nominee for a threepeat was showing team toughness sticking up for a teammate. Not too shabby for a guy who was only 4th in the league in scoring during the regular season. Pavs also led the Wings in hits for game 1 as well. I'm not trying to take a cheapshot at Crosby here, but the comparison between Pavs and Sid is pretty striking - Sid has a whiner reputation (well earned), while Pavs is breaking the stereotype that Lady Byng winner = sissy.
 
Well Put XYM, one quick note, I share your reservations about lilja. But, the only reason Lilja's in the lineup is Chelios is day to day. Chellie doesn't make those mistakes and we may see him soon. You are also very right about Datsuk. The Wings players have been brought up in a great system, and Datsuk learned from one of the greatest and emotional toughest forwards to play the game, Stevie Y. It definitely shows in his playing. The key with the Wings system is scoring forwards don't last. If you can't play both ends of the ice with consistency your gone. That's why there's always a couple of wings in line for the Selke.