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The Acoustic Club

#861
Chuck King said:
You'll probably be pleasantly surprised, HOWEVER...don't run bass through that 6x10 cabinet! Assuming you're talking about the original Acoustic 6x10 cabinet that was paired with the 150 head (the 104), those cabinets were designed for guitar, not bass, and running bass through one at any volume could shred the speakers.
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Thank you Chuck.. I was just gonna say that!
 
#862
thejrace said:
Sorry for bothering you guys so much, but what would that sound like the tre/reverb channel? i mean I am getting into playing some classic rock/ metal i guess, a lot of thin lizzy, anthrax, GnR, maiden, queen, sabbath, deep purple. Would one truly be more fit for the type of music I am playing or would it really not make that much of a difference? thanks again and sorry guys.
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The trem/reverb channel is just the clean channel with those two effects added onto them. They are footswitchable with a basic 2-button footswitch. If you are familiar with what tremolo and reverb sound like, well that is what they have. If you're anything like me and don't use effects when you're playing the bass, then you probably won't find much use for the tremolo and reverb effects.
 
#863
Count me in--

i have a new 600H running through an Avatar 212 Neo. Cool rig.

Now I'm awaiting the 18 cab from Acoustic. When?

Question for Stacknobuser:

Are the new heads an exact copy of the old ones? I'm remembering the old ones had a more pleasant distortion/breakup than the new heads, and that's not a knock on the new ones. They just seem different.
 
#865
AndyMan said:
Question for Stacknobuser:

Are the new heads an exact copy of the old ones? I'm remembering the old ones had a more pleasant distortion/breakup than the new heads, and that's not a knock on the new ones. They just seem different.
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The BX00 line are not copies of the old ones. They are new models made with the same mentality of the old ones, but they are not copies. There is an Acoustic USA line that will be producing amps that will be more closely in design to the original lineup.
 
#866
AndyMan said:
Count me in--

i have a new 600H running through an Avatar 212 Neo. Cool rig.

Now I'm awaiting the 18 cab from Acoustic. When?

Question for Stacknobuser:

Are the new heads an exact copy of the old ones? I'm remembering the old ones had a more pleasant distortion/breakup than the new heads, and that's not a knock on the new ones. They just seem different.
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ANSWER:

They are different. Most of the EQ points on the older heads were actually pretty low, especially in the Graphic EQ sections. It was not uncommon (like on the 370 bass head) for the graphic to have the top EQ band @ 500Hz.

The modern heads are built in the spirit of the older ones and include some compression and soft clipping in the preamp, but include features that we felt made them more useful for today's players. Plus, even the bass cabs now have a high frequency component, to bring out some of the top end that would have not been possible in some of the original cabs.:hyper:

So we added stuff like: broader EQ section, Rotary vs graphic EQ, Gain and Level controls so you can "dirty up the sound" at all volumes, the "Notch" control, complete line out section with balanced XLR, level, and ground lift (pre/post on the B600H)...etc...:bassist:

Even the stuff from George will include some updates to the original designs since, after all, bass players demand different things today than they did in 1967. Some people haven't noticed, but the world has changed...;)

BTW, on the "pleasing" distortion, keep in mind that most of the older bass cabs did not have a HF component and all of the new acoustic (and most from modern manufacturer's) do. Therefore, if you want to introduce a little grit or distortion into your sound, best to turn off the tweeter. On the Acoustic cabs there is an on/off button on the back of the cab. This will smooth out the distortion and make it sound more similar to the old rigs which, first of all, did not produce the highs that the new heads do, and secondly, were generally paired with cabs that did not have the ability to project all of those highs.

Hope this helps.
 
#868
AndyMan said:
Great info, thank you!!

So, if I wanted my 600H to replicate the original sound, besides shutting off the tweeter, how should I EQ it? Are you saying to boost the lower frequencies, and cut the upper ones?
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OK, that depends on what sound you are trying to get close to. It is not going to be possible to "replicate" a sound necessarily, especially if you are trying to get the 360 sound out of a smaller cab design.

Generally, yes, you are going to pump up the lower EQ bands for fullness and roll back the very top end. But remember that the original Acoustic bass amps also had a very pronounced "woody" mid range tone, and projected a surprising amount of high mids even with the folded horn cabs. You might find that boosting the 350Hz, 800Hz and even a little 2kHz helps you get closer.

That is part of the original Acoustic sound which many players used to their advantage including Jaco. The upper mid frequencies (just beyond the fundamentals of a 4 string bass) is a very harmonically rich and fertile range for filling out punch and timbre, and maybe even picking up some sustain and "bloom".

Of course, the bass you use and even the pickup selection on the bass will make subtle differences. You just need to spend some time playing with your rig to dial in what you are looking for.

There are also some suggested settings in the owner's manuals on the website @ www.acousticamplification.com

Keep in mind these are very general starting points, and you will need to adjust to suit your style and tone quest.:bassist:

Hope this helps.
 
#869
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Acoustic B115 with an Ashdown Electric Blue 180 head. I love the switchable tweeter horn. Overall it sounds about 13 times better than my Orange 35b.
 
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#871
Stacknobuser said:
OK, that depends on what sound you are trying to get close to. It is not going to be possible to "replicate" a sound necessarily, especially if you are trying to get the 360 sound out of a smaller cab design.

Generally, yes, you are going to pump up the lower EQ bands for fullness and roll back the very top end. But remember that the original Acoustic bass amps also had a very pronounced "woody" mid range tone, and projected a surprising amount of high mids even with the folded horn cabs. You might find that boosting the 350Hz, 800Hz and even a little 2kHz helps you get closer.

That is part of the original Acoustic sound which many players used to their advantage including Jaco. The upper mid frequencies (just beyond the fundamentals of a 4 string bass) is a very harmonically rich and fertile range for filling out punch and timbre, and maybe even picking up some sustain and "bloom".

Of course, the bass you use and even the pickup selection on the bass will make subtle differences. You just need to spend some time playing with your rig to dial in what you are looking for.

There are also some suggested settings in the owner's manuals on the website @ www.acousticamplification.com

Keep in mind these are very general starting points, and you will need to adjust to suit your style and tone quest.:bassist:

Hope this helps.
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Thanks for the advice. If you will indulge me a bit, here's the tone I'm after (bass kicks in after the intro--he's using two 360s):



I can't seem to get there, lol!
 
#872
Vetchking Here:

Buy the best gear you can get......... Keep buying and selling until you get really great gear........

Great Gear is just a tool. ( it does make a difference ), keep practicing. Work hard.

PS. Cool vid.

Last summer a very famous drummer became a new pal of mine and he told me the bass player in Queen wanted 4 NEW, 360/361's for the tour....... As My Heart sunk..... I was 3 Months away from product and approval................

Oh......Holy Crap.......

Later





 
#874
AndyMan said:
Thanks for the advice. If you will indulge me a bit, here's the tone I'm after (bass kicks in after the intro--he's using two 360s):



I can't seem to get there, lol!
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OK, the Music Man bass has hot output, maple neck gives it a more percussive attack than rosewood, pickup location near the bridge, plus he is playing really close to the bridge.

Amp notwithstanding, all combine to give a lot of midrange punch before you even get to the amp. What kind of bass are you using?

Also, obviously playing at really high volumes giving the bass and the amp the ability to interact with each other "acoustic-ly" so to speak.

Anyway, back to your bass. any specifics you can share?

For example, if you are using a passive p-bass with rosewood board it is going to be more muddy sounding before you even get to the amp. In that case, I would run the gain a little hotter (maybe between 12 and 2 o'clock. Roll OFF some bottom end and work with the four middle EQ bands to pump up the appropriate mids. Of course, a huge part of the sound is also in the technique.

Good luck!
 
#875
Boom, Baby!

I've been trying to find the right amp for my G&L L2500 Tribute, and I've found it in the Acoustic B200! I've tried Ampeg, Fender and my current SWR Workingpro 12 and couldn't find the right sound. I found my perfect sound in the
B200! I tried it out at a GC near me and was blown away! With the gain and volume half way up it was too loud for audition volume, and if I turned the volume up any more it got painfully loud!

What a dope I am! I had $350 last month and bought the SWR when I could have just gone down and bought a B200! The SWR is a great amp but it's not the sound I'm looking for.

Here's hoping someone wants to buy it locally!
 

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