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The Acoustic Club

#142
Stacknobuser,

Perhaps you can help here. I've not heard back from Acousticamplification.com for a few days. I'm hoping they're just too busy in a good way. On the B200H (that I have two of on lay away at GC), does the effects loop also feed out of the Direct Out to the PA/Mix? My son, the geetar amp guru (Bugera, Bootsy apparently endorses their guitar amps...Hmmm, it's gotta make one wonder:eek:) of our household, looked at the B200H schematic and wasn't sure. I looked at it as well and can't say for sure, I'm certainly not electronically savy as I'd like to be. It's not a huge deal, the B200H is just flat out awesome anyways:bassist:, but it would be nice to know.

Thanks again,

Great work you all!

Bassmore
 
#143
Hey Bassmore,

I took a look at the Signal Flow Diagram in the B200H Manual (from the Acoustic Amplification site) and it looks like the XLR out for the balanced line out includes a trace from the effects return side of the effects loop, so any effects should be getting sent to the line out.

but I am not an official Acoustic/GC employee...so don't take my word for it.
 
#144
The Line Out signal path is pre the effects return. This means that when you plug into the effect return, it is a switching jack and breaks the dry signal path from the effect send. That returned signal will not go out the Line Out.

Hope this helps.
 
#146
Usually, the line out is sent as more of a DI to the house. If you use stompboxes or other front-end effects and that is part of your sound, those would be in-line pre the input signal and would be fed to the house.

This could include distortion, delays, chorus, you know, the usual stuff.

The effects loop on the amp would frequently be used for compression or other effects that would enhance the stage performance of the amp, but may get in the way of the house mix.

Generally, the front of house (FOH) signal is more of a direct signal feed, with some sound guys even insisting that it be totally dry. Any off board effect or stompbox you use will add both gain and noise, and by the time you get it to the FOH, these issues can be a major headache.

Hope this helps.
 
#148
It'll be awhile for me to post pics, but I've had an Acoustic 270 that toured with my former mentor, Jon Newton, when he was musical director for the Mason Williams Listening Matter Orchestra, or some variant. I found it in Jon's basment along with couple tall 412's, one of which I still have.

Years later I bought a 406 2x15 used from a local store, so that's my basement rig at the moment - 270 into 406. The 412 is standing by until it's called up for service, but I've gone to much smaller rigs for gigging since focusing on double bass. I have used the 270 and 406 in some punk/hard rock shows - actually used it when I opened up for the Foo Fighters' first public appearance at the Satyricon in Portland, ca. 1994 or 5. (Viva Zapata benfit show with Frances Farmer Gals, my band, Alphabitch, Presidents of the US and Foo Fighters.)

I'll try to get a picture or two up. I dig the fuzz on the 270 with bass, but the tremelo has never really been my bag.

brian / tanglehead
 
#150
bekim said:
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close-up of the acoustic section of my rig. 360/361, 320/408, 120/215B, 370.

not pictured is the acoustic 404 6x12 i just picked up for 200 bucks. it's in almost mint condition! if played with enough treble so as not to damage the speakers (this was actually a guitar cab) it sounds great!

i'm also having a very good condition 201 cab sent to me soon, and picking up a 270 head to match next weekend!
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The 404 was actually designed for guitar AND bass believe it or not. The sound is very different from any other Acoustic cabs i have. It doesn't have the warm low end "bloom" of the ported cabs but it does have a very cool "up front" punch that fits in nice with a multiple set up. I was cranking mine up yesterday with a 330 and I had it up to 120 db ( using my meter to check) no problem. I rolled off a little bit of the lows because I have all the stock speakers and I dont wanna risk loosing them but I think they would hold up under just about any sort of abuse.
 
#153
bottomend! said:
The 404 was actually designed for guitar AND bass believe it or not. The sound is very different from any other Acoustic cabs i have. It doesn't have the warm low end "bloom" of the ported cabs but it does have a very cool "up front" punch that fits in nice with a multiple set up. I was cranking mine up yesterday with a 330 and I had it up to 120 db ( using my meter to check) no problem. I rolled off a little bit of the lows because I have all the stock speakers and I dont wanna risk loosing them but I think they would hold up under just about any sort of abuse.
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hey bottom,

i couldn't find any literature on the site saying it was for both. that's good to know as i'd like to be able to take this thing out and crank it. mine has all the original speakers as well so i was afraid to crank it up too loud. i'm gonna have to run this with my 370 until i can find a 450 or 470.
 
#154
Hey, I have't been back to this thread in a long time and just realized I am Acoustic Club Member #2, that rocks!!

Anyone here running the full stack of the new stuff?

The B200H with 1-15 and 4-10 cabs? How is that rig? I would love even just the 4-10 and the head, for an old school rock n' roll bass guitar rig.
 
#155
bekim said:
hey bottom,

i couldn't find any literature on the site saying it was for both. that's good to know as i'd like to be able to take this thing out and crank it. mine has all the original speakers as well so i was afraid to crank it up too loud. i'm gonna have to run this with my 370 until i can find a 450 or 470.
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Dont ask me where I saw the information but it exsist somewhere on the website. I've seen something that more or less alluded to the fact that the 450/470 and the 404/407 were all duel purpose gear. But I wouldn't personally crank it up with too much boost in the extreme lowend. Just roll of some of the lows and you should be ok.
 
#156
Gearhead43 said:
I would love even just the 4-10 and the head, for an old school rock n' roll bass guitar rig.
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No offense #2, but for "old school rock n' roll," ought'nt you go for the 15"? :bassist:

But what I came here for was to tell you all that my new B200 combo just keeps getting better and better the more I use it with the band. With each tweak of the EQ and adjustment of gain vs. volume, this thing gains better tone, more "cut" and is rapidly on it's way to becoming the best-sounding amp I've owned in a long while.

I'm loving it, and highly recommend it to anyone who's considering a compact, tonally flexible, amply-powered unit with real old-school mojo. Go-go-go for it, folks!

Lowbrow
 
#157
levisixguns said:
oh and btw, if anyone is interested i'm willing to sell the working speakers that are in the cab, they're all original except for one, but its of the same design and looks to have been replaced back before they stopped making that kind of speaker. i KNOW one is blown because some how the entire cone is GONE, no rips, no tears... its completely GONE. the one next to it works but it buzzes and pops and sounds terrible, but theres four left, three original and one obviously replaced.

i plan on replacing them all with 6 - jensen MOD 10-50 50w speakers but i have no idea what ohms i should get the speakers in [availiable in 4/8/16/32 ohms] or how i would wire them to get the cab as close to 4 ohms as possible... i hear 5.3 is as close as i can get but i wouldn't know which to set series and which to set parallel.

[and apparently from the research i've done, this acoustic 140 amp is the exact same thing as the acoustic 154 guitar amp, no matter, i would use my b5r for when i play bass and use the acoustic amp for when i play guitar, utilizing the same cab for both :)]
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I have the same model 104 cab. (See post #7 on page 1 of this thread.) The original speakers are 24 ohms each. 24 ohms divided by 6 speakers = a 4 ohm load for the 150 head. All six speakers are wired in parallel. Since that impedance of a speaker is rare, the closest modern thing is the 32 ohm Jensen MOD 10" speaker.

My cab was missing one original speaker when I got it and one speaker was blown. I need to contact Orange County Speaker repair to see if they can do a 24 ohm VC and the aluminum dust cap. The speakers are AlNiCo and I believe they were made by Eminence.

Got two good speakers to sell or swap?

Gary
 
#159
Pearly Gator said:
I have the same model 104 cab. (See post #7 on page 1 of this thread.) The original speakers are 24 ohms each. 24 ohms divided by 6 speakers = a 4 ohm load for the 150 head. All six speakers are wired in parallel. Since that impedance of a speaker is rare, the closest modern thing is the 32 ohm Jensen MOD 10" speaker.

My cab was missing one original speaker when I got it and one speaker was blown. I need to contact Orange County Speaker repair to see if they can do a 24 ohm VC and the aluminum dust cap. The speakers are AlNiCo and I believe they were made by Eminence.

Got two good speakers to sell or swap?

Gary
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BTW I dont think OCS has any of the dust caps for that speaker. A fried of mine had his 12's from a 105 cab reconed a couple of years ago and they found 4 for him but I've called and asked about the 10's and they are NLA. My two blown speakers still have the dust caps on them and OCS said they would be willing to try and cut them off to use on a newly reconed speaker.

BTW where are you in So Cal? I'm in LA ( Echo Park).
 
#160
my question is, do you guys feel that most of the old-school tone that i've been lookin' comes mostly from the amp or from the cabs? or do you have to use em both? I'd have no problem getting the b200 for personal enjoyment, but i play with a loud drummer and a guitarist that dont hesitate to crank his marshall stack, and im just wondering if i'd be able to hang with an acoustic set up.
 

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