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Double Bass The different ways of approaching Improvisation..

#82
You know, I come hear to Talkin Bass for serious discussion, cause I take myself and this subject of Romanclature real sirius I do i do. Now we all no that gnome wasn't built in a day, so y go round and round like a round, or a cannon, shooting off our mouthes like A deceased Russian Homosexual who wrote music about fairies and Plums of sugar? I say, if it's good enough for Turrentine it's good enough for ewe and me

OMG I had dropped acid back in the day, and jsut had a flashback... I am SOOO sorey , how do u edit this thing anyway? As you were.
 
#86
No man, woman, child, .... or nome, wants to be caught dead there. Should you be caught dead there, well your're dead so no problem, but if caught alive, just sing a happy tomb, excuse me tome
"when in Roam do as the Roamin's do, romans do roamins do"

Dsiclaimer To those of yous who vu my humor as juvenille or something stoopid, how funny have u been lately? Sirius, how funny!
People who throw stones in the ocean get wet.

And I don't wannebee temp banned for gettin political but drink copious amounts of a mixture of 4 parts prune juice and 4 parts bodily fluid and call me in the morning.
 
#87
Speaking of rhythm and stuff...

I notice a drastic difference in soloing whether i feel the "2 and 4" beats.. or the "1 and 3" beats..

I guess its because of the strong beat vs weak beat...

But i usually have always played feeling the 2 and 4 almost like automatically!..

and lately I've tried feeling to the 1 and 3 its and its sooo different to me
 
#89
Longo teaches not 1 and 3. Or 2. And 4
But poly METER

Rock ( I am not hip to last 15 years of rock ) feels MONOMETER to me
It can be played with conviction groove but still Is MONO Meter
2 and 4 without another meter or 2 cutting across it, sometimes
Feels like digging a hole in the ground
The best jazz is poly metric.
 
#90
I think an important point is that the metronome just shows you where the real pulse is. I think it is good for all of us to spend time being right on the metronome, but another truth is that just because it is on, doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to phrase exactly how you want.
If you can't play the "feel" you think is hip while the metronome is also on, it probably isn't that hip.
 
#91
I play with a drum machine in one of my keyboards
Someone recorded me for 30 seconds. I listened yesterday and noted
That I sounded ok
I was also able to push the beat and also play lazily too
Is a drum machine a good or better substitute for metronome ?
 
#92
So you HAVE a soundfile and haven't posted a link? Un hunh...

The thing that you get with a neauxm is that it gives you nothing to lean on except the click - no definition of form, no fills through the turnaround, no subdivisions on parts of the "kit". It's just bare bones YOU, for better or worse.
If a drum machine is all you have, then just use the hi-hat as if it were the click.

As to damon's point, let me upload a couple of recordings of me, playing with a pianist who was also a Tristano/Sal Mosca student, and a metronome. The ability to play with an open approach to timefeel and phrasing is only enhanced by working with a metronome.
 
#93
Ed Fuqua said:
. . . I try to play with solid time, right in the middle of the beat when accompanying, . . . that black hole time, that pulls everybody else into your time, that is irresistible to everyone cause it just feels SO good. . . . [T]ime needs to be visceral, you have to feel it in your body; what it feels like when you're pushing the time or pulling the time. And unless you practice improvising against a constant - the metronome- you can't quantify that feeling for yourself.
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What a beautiful expression of it. I have felt that "irresistible" time on occasion when listening to great players. Never when I'm playing. Out comes the metronome. Thanks once again, Ed. Looking forward to your uploads.
 
#94
Ed. How do the actual players ( as distinct from the ideal a gnome ) stack up to that ideal
Eg I had asked you about roger mancuso. How did he compare to the gnome
? Have you ever played with someone of considerable reputation and found that they were not as good at matching up with gnome time .... What did you do, "make the best of it "?
Generally speaking. How do players do when compared to gnome time?
Generally speaking, how do the recordings you prize or prized, do, with ideal time?
 
#96
Eric Hochberg said:
Start the mnome at the beginning of some of these and find out. Let us know the results.
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I may at some point... but I am not an advocate of the method. It would seem that the advocates ought do that.
Has anyone discussed this with people like Ray Brown, Ron Carter, Richard Davis, Buster Williams, Anthony Jackson,
Buddy Rich, Art Blakey, Alan Dawson, Tony Williams, Steve Jordan, Bernard Purdie, Steve Gadd?

I once asked drummer Mel Lewis about a related idea. He said ( Richard Davis was a part of the discussion ) they timed with a clock some of their music and found it to be uniform. I don't remember his words, but he and Richard Davis apparently played more or less uniformly, from chorus to chorus, but using a clock!
 
#98
Ed Fuqua said:
Hickarus - I'll be happy to answer all of your questions as soon as you post some soundfiles of your playing.
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Aren't my questions valid regardless of my musical status, whether God's gift to music or a hack troll?

I am not technically adroit re soundfiles. I have almost nothing recorded of me, except ages ago.

Well, Ed, do I have to "prove myself" before you respond?
 
#100
suraci said:
Aren't my questions valid regardless of my musical status, whether God's gift to music or a hack troll?

I am not technically adroit re soundfiles. I have almost nothing recorded of me, except ages ago.

Well, Ed, do I have to "prove myself" before you respond?
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Just as an aside, long time members like to have an idea of who - musically speaking - they are dealing with when attempting to converse with and/or give advice to. It's not so much a matter of "is this person good enough", as many relative newbies (including myself many moons ago) have gotten great advice and encouragement from the more experienced folks here at TB; it's more a matter of the old timers desiring to hear what a person's playing sounds when they express strong opinions or ask questions so they can have an idea of who they are addressing. The anonymity of the internet is a double edged sword. On many occasions in the past, posters have displayed stronger opinions than they have skill or experience, and when this happens it becomes a question of "do I want to spend my time disagreeing/arguing with this person?". I find this understandable, although not everyone does.

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Posting clips of my playing and getting feedback from TB members has been the best thing about this site for me over the years. EEMMV.
 

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