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The Fender Super Bassman 300 thread
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I thought you returned your 2nd 115 cab Rod?I've gone back to this. ....
Only imagine with the Super Bassman on top.
Pleading again to anyone that has gigged both the 610 Neo and a NV412 with the SB300. THe guy I got my SB300 from is now selling his 610Neo. It sounded great when I played it, but it was in a small room etc - and I probably won't be able to directly compare these 2 cabs.
Any opinions appreciated.
Any opinions appreciated.
With better pay than expected for our gigs during the Christmas season, a pay rise, and the sale of some other gear, I can see me picking up the 610 Neo that's available near me just after Christmas!! The guy I got my Super Bassman from had the 610 Neo also, but decided to keep it. He purchased a GK head with Bi amping and the GK cabs work better with that set up apparently, so the 610 Neo is sitting there ready to go!
Super interested to hear the differences between the NV412, and the 610 Neo. The NV412 has been awesome, but the brief play I got thru the 610 in a small room is pretty impressive. Hearing them both side by side in a bigger room should be enlightening to say the least.
Pumped!!
Super interested to hear the differences between the NV412, and the 610 Neo. The NV412 has been awesome, but the brief play I got thru the 610 in a small room is pretty impressive. Hearing them both side by side in a bigger room should be enlightening to say the least.
Pumped!!
Got the 610 Neo home to compare to my NV412. Haven't plugged it in yet, but visual is nothing short of sexual.
Having owned a Berg 610 and still a Berg 215 but no experience on the 412, as well as a Fender neo 610 and still a Fender neo 810, I would expect you to hear a few differences if only because the Berg is sealed. However, the Fender 610 can be deceptively tight and punchy. The Fender neo 610 gets closer to the traditional Fender vibe than their 810 IMO. It is a case of both will sound great and only you can decide what best suits you, but a Berg sealed cab is always something very magical....
Right! I finally got to play thru the Berg NV412 and 610 Neo side by side at home for 30mins today.
First observation was that the 610 Neo was louder than the 412 at the same master settings on the amp. the Berg cabs are pretty efficient, so that was a surprise to me.
Second observation, and not very surprising, is that the 610 Neo is brighter at lower volumes, but this difference gets less as you push harder. I can get the NV412 to be quite bright by boosting treble obviously, and the Berg NV412 has a bigger window for the treble to be useable without becoming brittle or harsh, like the tweeter loaded 610 Neo. After turning the Tweeter down to around 10 o'clock on the Neo 610 there is a far bigger window to increase treble without it becoming too harsh. Not to say that the Tweeter on the 610 Neo is harsh or brittle, it is a great sounding tweeter, and as others have said, it has been integrated in very nicely. This was really about working out the tonal variation between the 2 cabinets. Initially I thought that the NV412 has a little more in the upper mids, but the more I played the more I thought that the mids were more apparent due to the smoother top end that the NV412 has
As @Tim1 has mentioned in this thread somewhere, it is quite easy to get the 610 Neo to sound like anything you want with careful dialling in of the tweeter on the cab, and the tone controls of the amp. You can get quite a crunchy sounding OD with the Berg Nv412, but with the 610 Neo it is really easy, and without having to push the tops and mids up as far.
The Neo 610 is about 25mm (1") bigger in all dimensions than the NV412 (L x W x D) but it looks a lot bigger. The 610 Neo is considerably lighter than the NV412 also. Not a major concern to me as both are tilt and roll, but it is quite noticeable.
Not sure which I like better, both sound great! Before you ask - I did run them both together @ 2 ohms. It sounded very balanced, but couldn't help but wonder if the difference in efficiency between the 2 cabs made for running them together not being as spectacular as I had expected. It may also be that I was in my house, everything was rattling, and I couldn't really appreciate the complete brute force the combo of both cabs had!!!
First observation was that the 610 Neo was louder than the 412 at the same master settings on the amp. the Berg cabs are pretty efficient, so that was a surprise to me.
Second observation, and not very surprising, is that the 610 Neo is brighter at lower volumes, but this difference gets less as you push harder. I can get the NV412 to be quite bright by boosting treble obviously, and the Berg NV412 has a bigger window for the treble to be useable without becoming brittle or harsh, like the tweeter loaded 610 Neo. After turning the Tweeter down to around 10 o'clock on the Neo 610 there is a far bigger window to increase treble without it becoming too harsh. Not to say that the Tweeter on the 610 Neo is harsh or brittle, it is a great sounding tweeter, and as others have said, it has been integrated in very nicely. This was really about working out the tonal variation between the 2 cabinets. Initially I thought that the NV412 has a little more in the upper mids, but the more I played the more I thought that the mids were more apparent due to the smoother top end that the NV412 has
As @Tim1 has mentioned in this thread somewhere, it is quite easy to get the 610 Neo to sound like anything you want with careful dialling in of the tweeter on the cab, and the tone controls of the amp. You can get quite a crunchy sounding OD with the Berg Nv412, but with the 610 Neo it is really easy, and without having to push the tops and mids up as far.
The Neo 610 is about 25mm (1") bigger in all dimensions than the NV412 (L x W x D) but it looks a lot bigger. The 610 Neo is considerably lighter than the NV412 also. Not a major concern to me as both are tilt and roll, but it is quite noticeable.
Not sure which I like better, both sound great! Before you ask - I did run them both together @ 2 ohms. It sounded very balanced, but couldn't help but wonder if the difference in efficiency between the 2 cabs made for running them together not being as spectacular as I had expected. It may also be that I was in my house, everything was rattling, and I couldn't really appreciate the complete brute force the combo of both cabs had!!!
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Right! I finally got to play thru the Berg NV412 and 610 Neo side by side at home for 30mins today.
First observation was that the 610 Neo was louder than the 412 at the same master settings on the amp. the Berg cabs are pretty efficient, so that was a surprise to me.
Second observation, and not very surprising, is that the 610 Neo is brighter at lower volumes, but this difference gets less as you push harder. I can get the NV412 to be quite bright by boosting treble obviously, and the Berg NV412 has a bigger window for the treble to be useable without becoming brittle or harsh, like the tweeter loaded 610 Neo. After turning the Tweeter down to around 10 o'clock on the Neo 610 there is a far bigger window to increase treble without it becoming too harsh. Not to say that the Tweeter on the 610 Neo is harsh or brittle, it is a great sounding tweeter, and as others have said, it has been integrated in very nicely. This was really about working out the tonal variation between the 2 cabinets. Initially I thought that the NV412 has a little more in the upper mids, but the more I played the more I thought that the mids were more apparent due to the smoother top end that the NV412 has
As @Tim1 has mentioned in this thread somewhere, it is quite easy to get the 610 Neo to sound like anything you want with careful dialling in of the tweeter on the cab, and the tone controls of the amp. You can get quite a crunchy sounding OD with the Berg Nv412, but with the 610 Neo it is really easy, and without having to push the tops and mids up as far.
The Neo 610 is about 25mm (1") bigger in all dimensions than the NV412 (L x W x D) but it looks a lot bigger. The 610 Neo is considerably lighter than the NV412 also. Not a major concern to me as both are tilt and roll, but it is quite noticeable.
Not sure which I like better, both sound great! Before you ask - I did run them both together @ 2 ohms. It sounded very balanced, but couldn't help but wonder if the variation in efficiency between the 2 cabs made for the running them together not being as spectacular as I had expected.
Nice review, Rocksolid. Thanks.
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That's just a case of ported versus sealed cab response. Both are great cabs!
Looking at smaller cab options with the SB300. Not necessarily the Fender stuff, as we know the 410 and 115 are awesome.
Obviously the favorite large cabs are:
NV412/610/215, Fender 610/810 etc
Had a quick scan thru this thread and the NV115, DB115, GK Neo212, have had positive things said about them.
Are there any other smaller cabs people are using that are really working well for them?
There is a Tecamp L212 available 2nd hand in Australia currently, seems to get good reviews, looks great, and is the perfect width to have the SB300 sit on top. Does anyone have any other cabs thru are getting pleasing results with?
Obviously the favorite large cabs are:
NV412/610/215, Fender 610/810 etc
Had a quick scan thru this thread and the NV115, DB115, GK Neo212, have had positive things said about them.
Are there any other smaller cabs people are using that are really working well for them?
There is a Tecamp L212 available 2nd hand in Australia currently, seems to get good reviews, looks great, and is the perfect width to have the SB300 sit on top. Does anyone have any other cabs thru are getting pleasing results with?
I've played a gig at the same place the last two nights with my bassman. The first night it was fine but last night is when this new problem occurred. I turned on my amp to get it ready and everything but when I played it I noticed the tone was degraded and the sound kept dying out as if it were going into standby. So I looked at the auto bias and something I hadn't heard of yet is that all the lights were out, not indicating the status of any of the tubes. It makes me unsure on wether it's a tube problem or a auto bias problem. If anyone could help me I would really appreciate it.
Sounds very similar to some of the very early issues they had with the ribbon cable that the auto bias uses. There was some discussion on the issue in the early pages of this thread.
Yes, could well be autobias. There have been very few issues with it on the Super Bassman, far fewer than with the 100T, probably because it is wired differently (Tom Bowlus explained this in a very early post). Fender have been very good on the warranties so take it in and let one of their techs fix it.
