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The Great Bass Preamp/DI Comparison

For those who are sold on the digital stuff AND have used BOTH the Stomp and Pod Go what do you love most about either and dislike most?

Scuba, you know my journey as you've been a part of this thread for a long time. I dipped my toe in the digital water a few times and never liked the results I got. Oh, I would like it temporarily, but it just seemed like the digital stuff I played with was fatiguing. I never really got a tone that just worked.

I didn't have high expectations for the Pod Go. I was under the impression that it was in the same vein as a Zoom B3, which I had already owned. But I ordered one...because hey...that's been my MO for several years. I like trying new things. I bought it used and knew I could unload it fairly quickly if I didn't like it and not lose much money. I reached out to some guitar player friends that I knew used Helix gear. They just gushed about it. One of my friends said he sold all his gear except the Helix. He told me the massive amount of money he had in pedals and how selling it all more than paid for the Helix and put money in his pocket back in his pocket. He no longer uses a mic'd cab....just goes direct running an amp and cab sim.

So the other motivator was my board. It was big, heavy, and expensive. I constantly worried about dropping it, or something going wrong with a tube (unlikely I know). I also had to inspect every knob on it when I took it out of the case in the event one got bumped during transport. The RNDI only worked if phantom power was applied, so I had to carry a spare passive DI just in case...which was even more weight. It was just very cumbersome and I had been using my baby board since it weighed a fraction of what the big board weighted. I didn't feel like I lost much in tone going to the smaller board, especially in the mix. By the time you factor in the PA, the room, the people in the room, the rest of the band, etc....no one...even me...was going to notice.

So I looked at the Pod Go...and it checked all the boxes. It has a volume pedal. It has a DI (yes, you have to use a cable...but that's honestly not a big deal). It has compressors. It has fuzz/distortion. It has an FX loop. It has USB for recording OR for re-amping. It has expansion capability to add another pedal or buttons. It has on-the-fly re-ordering of where the "pedals" go. It has the ability to reset your entire board with the click of a button. It has no patch cables. It requires no fancy power supply (other than the one provided). It doesn't require phantom power. Nearly every function can be assigned a control and changed on the fly.

BUT....

Does it sound good??

I opened the box, dialed up a bass preset, hit a few notes, tweaked a few settings.....and my jaw dropped. I tried more stuff. It sounded good. Even the tube "feel" you get when you dig in is there. You can even dial in tube "hiss" if you desire...yes...you can actually dial in the hiss and hum from a power section. Why you'd want that I'll never know, but you can do it. It's in there. But surely the compressors will sound like crap. Nope...the LA-2A compressor is really good. Nice fat tone. Well, the amp sim will suck. Nope...they don't. Surely the cab sims will suck all the low end out....well...some do...but I loaded up some IRs and they are fantastic. The EQs are incredibly powerful...you can even use a full parametric EQ and adjust Q and all. It's crazy.

I played it back to back with my very expensive pedal rig....and I actually preferred the Pod Go. It sounded better to me. Maybe it's the fact that it's a $400 all in one 5lb (if that) rig that has all digital controls which do nothing if the unit is off...no worry about bumping controls or putting stickers or marks on them.

I took a day off and didn't play it....plugged back in. The new had worn off...and I'm not excited about the new gear...surely it will sound like crap. Nope...jaw dropped again. I dialed up some B15 Motown goodness and played along to some tunes and got goosebumps. THAT is the tone. Wow!! It truly sounds like a B15. Dial up an SVT...ooooh yeah...there is that SVT clank. It's in there.

SO..long story short....what do I like about the tube rig? The tube rig was cool. It looked cool, it was old school tech and it sounded great. Other than that...I didn't really enjoy anything else about it. It was expensive and heavy and I truly fretted over damaging it or getting it stolen. If someone steals the POD Go, I order another one and restore my back up...I'm back in business!

What do I like about the Pod Go? Everything. Honestly. The only thing I think I'd change is the desktop software. It's a little sub par in my opinion. I mean, it works...but the UI isn't the best in the world. They now have a Pod Go Wireless...that has a built in wireless receiver that is controlled via the software. Damn, I wish I'd have known that...that would be bad ass. It also charges the module that plugs into the guitar.

At the end of the day, I don't feel like I'm giving up anything with the digital rig. It's like digital cameras. When they first came out, people used them because the convenience offset the miserable quality of the pictures. But now, digital cameras are better than their film equivalents. I believe we have reached that point with modeling, or are very darn close to it. There is simply no reason to carry around multiple thousands of dollars worth of heavy gear anymore. That would be like still using a rotary phone.
 
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Surely the cab sims will suck all the low end out....well...some do...but I loaded up some IRs and they are fantastic.

That is one thing I will say about the included cab sims. The included ones are fine, but, I have found that third party IR's from places like 3Sigma, Ownhammer, and Shift Line are much better (and easily loaded in to the Stomp/Go/Helix to replace the factory cab sims if desired).
 
I owned an HX Stomp, and still own an HX Effects. My main tone right now is coming from an Empress Bass Compressor into a Tech 21 DI-2112. I *love* how it sounds, but playing in a variety band, that Geddy tone just doesn't quite fit every style of music we play...

So I borrowed my old Stomp back from my buddy who bought it, and have been doing a bunch of A/B'ing, dialing in, etc.

I'll be going full-digital in the very near future. The Stomp through a pair of powered EV's sounds absolutely stellar. So now my choices are: buy another HX Stomp or Stomp XL, and run it along with my HX Effects, or, just go with the Helix Floor and have an all-in-one unit. Obviously the Floor route is much more expensive, and I'm pretty sure I don't need all the extra routing capabilities, so a Stomp or XL is probably the route I'll go.
 
I owned an HX Stomp, and still own an HX Effects. My main tone right now is coming from an Empress Bass Compressor into a Tech 21 DI-2112. I *love* how it sounds, but playing in a variety band, that Geddy tone just doesn't quite fit every style of music we play...

So I borrowed my old Stomp back from my buddy who bought it, and have been doing a bunch of A/B'ing, dialing in, etc.

I'll be going full-digital in the very near future. The Stomp through a pair of powered EV's sounds absolutely stellar. So now my choices are: buy another HX Stomp or Stomp XL, and run it along with my HX Effects, or, just go with the Helix Floor and have an all-in-one unit. Obviously the Floor route is much more expensive, and I'm pretty sure I don't need all the extra routing capabilities, so a Stomp or XL is probably the route I'll go.
I think I'm going to go with an Empess as well, into my REDDI. The REDDI is a little more universal for the cover band and church. I do love the 2112 Geddy sound though.
 
I'll be going full-digital in the very near future. The Stomp through a pair of powered EV's sounds absolutely stellar. So now my choices are: buy another HX Stomp or Stomp XL, and run it along with my HX Effects, or, just go with the Helix Floor and have an all-in-one unit. Obviously the Floor route is much more expensive, and I'm pretty sure I don't need all the extra routing capabilities, so a Stomp or XL is probably the route I'll go.


If you don't need the parallel routing the Pod Go has all the same tones as the HX Stomp (well...I think it's missing a couple of guitar effects that would probably not work well for bass). The Helix floor is really nice because you can customize the "labels" for each button as they are LED displays. On the Pod Go they are just colored LED lights that match the effect displayed on the screen....just like the HX Stomp.
 
Good stuff. Two Notes makes good stuff.
I feel it is the strongest first step .
I'll buy ir for the Mesa Subway cabs likely because I love the sound of those.
I expect that the pre (based on IIRC, a 74 Fender bandmaster ) which I used to own one, so good start there. The power amp sim has a selection of tube profiles to choose from.
I thought long and hard about the Pod Go. I felt there was too much in it I'll never use.
For the most part I'm a straight bass/wireless/amp/cab comfort zone.
I have the need effectwize a solid overdrive, and a solid compressor.

Goal here is: I love the tone of my mesa rig. I want to send FOH MY sound.
I will likely pull together a mini board with a pre and a comp for flavor.
 
I thought long and hard about the Pod Go. I felt there was too much in it I'll never use.

That's absolutely the case. I currently have 6 patches set up. Most of them have some sort of overdrive and an octave pedal. That's about all I use. I can cover everything I play with those presets.

But it's cool to know that I could go full on Bootsy if I wanted to.
 
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Ordered the Two Notes Torpedo CAB M plus . Will still add a pre and a comp if front of it most likely.
Small, remotely controllable. Good sounds and reputation.

The SLO , Mesa Subway plus, Mozztronics are on the radar.
Interesting. What is it that makes the Two Notes better than,say, a Moore Radar? They both apply IR to the signal, right?
 
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Interesting. What is it that makes the Two Notes better than,say, a Moore Radar? They both apply IR to the signal, right?
I'm building toward silent stage / IEM environment.
This little box covers so much territory in my use case.

Much:

Full XLR DI
HPF
Tuner

Sophisticated remote software. (Several platforms supported connected via Bluetooth)
Only vendor that has Authorized IR's of the Mesa Subway cabs.
Up to 200MS IR resolution
<2ms latency
Noise Gate
Preset and adjustable "room" reverb
Enhancer
Ability to connect "Real" head (speaker out) and cab to unit to be able to point the injected tone at an IR (not that I'd use that feature.

Pre and Power amp sims (all parameters adjustable)

Preamp
The preamp is based on an all original '74 Fender SilverFace B'man.

Power Amp:
Model: Choose the amplifier topology (Push Pull (PP) or Single Ended (SE)) and the tubes type (6L6, EL34, EL84 or KT88).
Type: Select how the tube is used, either in triode or in pentode mode. Pentode mode has more headroom and volume than triode.
Volume: Set up the output volume of your virtual power amplifier.
Depth: This setting affects the tube stage frequency (bandwidth).
Presence: This setting affects the tube stage frequency (loudness).
List Of Power Amplifiers
Designation Characteristics
SE 6L6 Configuration Single Ended - Class A with 6L6
SE EL34 Configuration Single Ended - Class A with EL34
SE EL84 Configuration Single Ended - Class A with EL84
SE KT88 Configuration Single Ended - Class A with KT88
PP 6L6 Configuration Push-Pull - Class AB with 6L6
PP EL34 Configuration Push-Pull - Class AB with EL34
PP EL84 Configuration Push-Pull - Class AB with EL84
PP KT88 Configuration Push-Pull - Class AB with KT88


2 variable mics per "native" IR several mics available and spatial location adjustable.
5.3 List of Microphones
Each cabinet in the Two notes library comes with a choice of 8 microphones. The selection of microphones depends on the type and model of the cabinet. In other words, some microphones in the following list will not necessarily available with the cabinet you selected.

Designation Inspired by
Dynamic 57 Dynamic microphone Shure® SM57
Dynamic 58 Dynamic microphone Shure® SM58
Dynamic 7b Dynamic microphone Shure® SM7B
Dynamic 80 Dynamic microphone Telefunken® M80
Dynamic 81 Dynamic microphone Telefunken® M81
Dynamic 421 Dynamic microphone Sennheiser® MD421
Dynamic 906 Dynamic microphone AKG® D112
Dynamic D6 Dynamic microphone Audix® D6
Dynamic I5 Dynamic microphone Audix® I5
Dynamic Bass88 Dynamic microphone BeyerDynamic® M88
Dynamic TG201 Dynamic microphone BeyerDynamic® M201TG
Dynamic TG12 Dynamic microphone TUL G12
Bass 20 Dynamic microphone Electrovoice® RE20
Dynamic LowKick Dynamic microphone Subkick Yamaha®
Ribbon 160 Ribbon microphone Beyerdynamic® M160N
Ribbon 121 Ribbon microphone Royer® R121
Ribbon 101 Ribbon microphone Royer® R101
Ribbon 4038 Ribbon microphone Coles® 4038
Ribbon 1R Ribbon microphone sE Electronics® 1R
Ribbon 92 Ribbon microphone AEA® R92
Condenser 184 Condenser microphone Neumann® KM184
Condenser 201 Condenser microphone Mojave Audio MA-201 FET
Condenser 840 Condenser microphone Beyerdynamic® Beta52
Condenser BLX414 Condenser microphone AKG® C414 B-XLS
Condenser BTL414 Condenser microphone AKG® C414 B-TL II
Condenser 87 Condenser microphone Neumann® U87
Condenser Fet 47 Condenser microphone Neumann® U47 FET
Condenser Tube 47 Condenser microphone Neumann® U47 Tube
Condenser Gem II Condenser microphone sE Electronics® Gemini II
Knightfall Condenser microphone Blue® Dragonfly

5.2 List of cabinets
Designation Description
GUITAR cabinets

BDeLuxe inspired by Fender® Blues Deluxe 1×12
BigBeast
inspired by 4×12 Zilla cabinet with Celestion® Vintage 30 speakers
BoGreen
inspired by Bogner® 4×12 Greenbacks G12M25 Reissue in 16ohms
Brit 65C inspired by Marshall® 1965A 4×10 Closed Back with Celestion® G10L-35
Brit Std inspired by Marshall® 1936 2×12 Celestion® G12T
Brit VintC inspired by Marshall® 1960A 4×12 closed back Celestion® Vintage 30 speakers
Celestion Ruby Open 1×12
Celestion® 1×12 cabinet with Celestion Ruby speaker
Copperback Closed 4×12 Celestion
Celestion® 4×12 cabinet with Celestion Neo 250 Copperback speakers
DarkPrinz
inspired by Fender® Princeton 1×10 with Oxford 10J4-3 speaker
Eddie
inspired by Peavey® 5150 2×12 Sheffield 1200
ENGL E112VB
Engl® E112VB with Celestion® Vintage 30 speaker
G12M Greenback Closed 4×12 Celestion
Celestion® 4×12 cabinet with Celestion G12M Greenback speakers
Greatsh
inspired by Gretsch® 6159 amp cabinet with two Jensen® C12-PS
Rand RD112
inspired by Randall® RD112 1×12 angled with Celestion® Vintage 30
Revv 2×12 Open Back V1
Revv® 2×12 open back with Warehouse Guitar Speakers Vet 30 and ET 90 drivers
Revv 4×12 Closed Back V1
Revv® 4×12 closed back with Warehouse Guitar Speakers Vet 30 and ET 90 drivers
Sig H75 LD
inspired by Two-Rock® 2×12 cabinet with Celestion® G12-H75 speaker
Silver77
inspired by Fender® Twin Reverb® 2×12 with orange JBL® speakers
Superblue inspired by Fender® 4×10 Super Reverb
Tanger Fat
inspired by PPC412HP© 4×12 Orange® with Celestion® Heritage G12H (55Hz) and Celestion© G12M Heritage Greenback
The One
inspired by Brunetti® Neo1512 with 1×12 and 1×15 speakers
Vibro V30 inspired by Fender® Vibrolux® 1×12 Celestion® V30 speaker
Victory Kraken 212V Classic Victory® kraken® 2×12 cabinet with Celestion® V30 speakers
Victory Sheriff 412C Classic Victory® Sheriff® 4×12 cabinet with Celestion® G12H speakers
Voice 30 inspired by Vox® AC30 JMI 2×12 Celestion® "Silver Bell"
Watt FanC inspired by Hiwatt® 2×12 Fane closed back
BASS cabinets
BassFlex
inspired by Ampeg© Portaflex© B15N with original 15" CTS speaker
Fridge
inspired by Ampeg© 8×10
MetalBigBass
inspired by Hartke® 410TP
OCBass410
inspired by Form Factor Audio® 4×10
SilverRumble
inspired by Fender© Rumble 500 2×10 with Eminence© speakers
Tio inspired by EBS® 611 with 1×15 and 1×10 Eminence© speakers
 
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I owned an HX Stomp, and still own an HX Effects. My main tone right now is coming from an Empress Bass Compressor into a Tech 21 DI-2112. I *love* how it sounds, but playing in a variety band, that Geddy tone just doesn't quite fit every style of music we play...

So I borrowed my old Stomp back from my buddy who bought it, and have been doing a bunch of A/B'ing, dialing in, etc.

I'll be going full-digital in the very near future. The Stomp through a pair of powered EV's sounds absolutely stellar. So now my choices are: buy another HX Stomp or Stomp XL, and run it along with my HX Effects, or, just go with the Helix Floor and have an all-in-one unit. Obviously the Floor route is much more expensive, and I'm pretty sure I don't need all the extra routing capabilities, so a Stomp or XL is probably the route I'll go.
Which active EVs do you use, I've used a EV SXA360 (active 12" & horn) which sounded pretty good.
 
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Used the Pod Go in church this morning and was very pleased. No issues whatsoever and it sounded great. Guy playing EG1 was using a HX Stomp running straight DI. He is a studio cat and plays quite a bit around Nashville. Said he hasn't used an amp on a gig or in the studio in quite some time.

I talked to the sound engineer this morning who is also a musician and asked if he noticed anything that could be improved. He said no, then confessed to trading in all his gear for a Kemper, but he said he liked some of the Helix stuff so he put an HX Stomp in the effects loop.

I am simply astounded how good modeling is these days.
 
Used the Pod Go in church this morning and was very pleased. No issues whatsoever and it sounded great. Guy playing EG1 was using a HX Stomp running straight DI. He is a studio cat and plays quite a bit around Nashville. Said he hasn't used an amp on a gig or in the studio in quite some time.

I talked to the sound engineer this morning who is also a musician and asked if he noticed anything that could be improved. He said no, then confessed to trading in all his gear for a Kemper, but he said he liked some of the Helix stuff so he put an HX Stomp in the effects loop.

I am simply astounded how good modeling is these days.

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