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The holocaust..

#22
IBTL


And on the same note, didn't Saddam Hussein launch an attack on his own people due to the fact that they weren't the same kind of Musilm as he and the rest of his government was? IIRC, that attack wiped out 10,000 people.

I would say that it's quite possible, maybe not on the same scale as the Holocaust but with all the individual incidents I'd say it may get pretty close in numbers.
 
#23
I know a little bit about the holocaust

The paternal side of my family is exclusively German and Hungarian Jew.
Very well established in the "Old Country". Hundreds of years of family history. One was chief carriage maker to Kaiser Wilhelm.

Interesting to note that my family tree goes back to about 1903 when about 5 or 6 came through Ellis Island.

There is not one single relative left in the "Old Country".

Zip, nada, nothing. All gone. Wiped out. Like they never existed.

Will it happen again? Not to the Jews.

But, as has been pointed out already, it's happening to others every day right now.
 
#25
capnsandwich said:
IBTL


And on the same note, didn't Saddam Hussein launch an attack on his own people due to the fact that they weren't the same kind of Musilm as he and the rest of his government was? IIRC, that attack wiped out 10,000 people.

I would say that it's quite possible, maybe not on the same scale as the Holocaust but with all the individual incidents I'd say it may get pretty close in numbers.
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You're talking about the attacks on the Kurds. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Anfal_campaign

Yes, that's another example of "ethnic cleansing". Its perhaps a little bit loose to say that they were Saddam's own people. The Kurds are a different enthnic group to the Sunni Arabs (of which Saddam was one). It was an attack on a different enthnic group living in Iraq which are more closely assocaited with the Sh'ites in Iran (whom Iraq happened to be at war with at the time).
 
#26
Mark Latimour said:
You're talking about the attacks on the Kurds. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Anfal_campaign

Yes, that's another example of "ethnic cleansing". Its perhaps a little bit loose to say that they were Saddam's own people. The Kurds are a different enthnic group to the Sunni Arabs (of which Saddam was one). It was an attack on a different enthnic group living in Iraq which are more closely assocaited with the Sh'ites in Iran (whom Iraq happened to be at war with at the time).
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from Wikipedia said:
Thousands of civilians were killed during the anti-insurgent campaigns stretching from the spring of 1987 through the fall of 1988. The attacks were part of a long-standing campaign that destroyed almost every Kurdish village in areas of northern Iraq where pro-Iranian insurgents were based and displaced at least a million of the country's estimated 3.5 million Kurdish population. Independent sources estimate 100,000 to more than 150,000 deaths and as many as 100,000 widows and an even greater number of orphans.[4] Amnesty International collected the names of more than 17,000 people who had "disappeared" during 1988.[5] The campaign has been characterized as genocidal in nature. It is also characterized as gendercidal, because "battle-age" men were the primary targets, according to Human Rights Watch/Middle East.[6] According to the Iraqi prosecutors, as many as 180,000 people were killed.
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That's pretty large scale IMO.
 
#32
vene-nemesis said:
Nope but im gonna guess that means that there is in fact a share of power among ppl whos "next" to each other and not "above"
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When I was in the Marines, we had what we called billets. Billets were a type of command that you had over a certain area. You may be a corporal but you have a billet over a certain building. that means that if a 4 star general were to walk in that building where you have a billet over, you are in command over him. If he tries to pull rank over you or usurp his authority over you while in that building, he's out of order and able to be court marshalled.

In a sense, that's what I'm talking about. Even though a leader of a country may hold the highest rank in the land, he is still under some type of authority and is held accountable for his decisions and actions. We also use this type of government in the United States. A law cannot pass if it's not signed by the president, but even if the president signs it or refuses to sign it, it still can be overturned or passed by congress.
 
#33
It's difficult to get into this discussion without getting political, but I will say this.

It has happened, and will continue to happen. It's impossible to police every individual of a 6.7 billion person population on this planet. Things will happen like this on a smaller scale over and over, which is very unfortunate.

The bigger problem, is people can be cruel enough to turn their backs to this in return for financial gains. The greed of humanity is sickening at times.
 
#34
Deluge Of Sound said:
Depends on what you mean by "something like the holocaust."

If you're talking about an organized, massive-scale ethnic cleansing, probably not.
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Just about a million Tutsi's killed in ethnic cleansing in Rwanda.
Just about a million Sunnis and Kurds killed in ethnic cleansing in Iraq.

All within this generation.

Unless it doesn't qualify as a "holocaust" until you start getting into "real" numbers.
 
#35
Yeah ethnic cleansing can happen again, but probably not in Europe or North America. If it's going to happen it would probably be in the Middle East or maybe Africa. Then again, I don't know much about South America or Asia and how many ethnicities/religions/semi-religions etc. etc. there are present there.
 
#37
Muusers said:
Yeah ethnic cleansing can happen again, but probably not in Europe or North America. If it's going to happen it would probably be in the Middle East or maybe Africa. Then again, I don't know much about South America or Asia and how many ethnicities/religions/semi-religions etc. etc. there are present there.
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It's possible in Asia. China's track record is too good. Tibet perhaps. Central America could get ugly real quick too.
 
#38
MakiSupaStar said:
It's possible in Asia. China's track record is too good. Tibet perhaps. Central America could get ugly real quick too.
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IIRC there were small scale genocides in El Salvador, Chile and Colombia at some point in the last 20 years.

And the Rwandan genocide had 8000 people dying a day. That is far worse than the holocaust on a per day basis. This should never have happened, or lasted as long as it did.
 
#39
Such atrocities have occurred on varying scales throughout human history. Whenever grand emotions of greed, envy, revenge, etc., combine with power, it has happened. Peoples in some regions may now have ingrained revulsion to these human tendencies, thanks to having experienced them, but what will happen if those memories fade?
 
#40
Bob Lee (QSC) said:
Such atrocities have occurred on varying scales throughout human history. Whenever grand emotions of greed, envy, revenge, etc., combine with power, it has happened. Peoples in some regions may now have ingrained revulsion to these human tendencies, thanks to having experienced them, but what will happen if those memories fade?
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You're being very kind by saying "if", remember that most things that are important to you, specially in history, arent so important, if any, to nowadays kids.

BTW i dont think America nor Europe are in the safe zone about ethnic cleansing or holocaust, dont you guys remember the popular hyteria sorounding the september 11 events?

Ant there is too much heat about the musulim law (i believe its called sharia) going on in europe.
 

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