Sorry, but I think this analogy is way off; cost-benefit analyses like this does not apply to the holocaust. It implies a Nazi rationale that simply did not exist. From the wannsee conference (or later that year at least) and until the end of the war I´d say the Germans were killing jews quite effectively (even though I'm sure they would like to be more effective). It was expensive, and they sure as hell did not make any money of it, but how on earth could they?
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Sorry, but I think this analogy is way off; cost-benefit analyses like this does not apply to the holocaust. It implies a Nazi rationale that simply did not exist. From the wannsee conference (or later that year at least) and until the end of the war I´d say the Germans were killing jews quite effectively (even though I'm sure they would like to be more effective). It was expensive, and they sure as hell did not make any money of it, but how on earth could they?
The Nazis didn't kill the Jews Effectively, Hitler was an AMATEUR own people killer, STALIN with out really trying Killed 15 MILLION of his own people, Hitler killer 6 Million, but If stalin hadn't Russia would have been CRUSHED in word war 2 very quickly,
its all just like The Book "watchmen" Would you Kill 15 Million People, all random, good people bad people, Children, women every one, if meant world Peace?
The Holocaust could happen again Nuclear weapons which make us "safe" is what you can thank for that,
The first step to saving the World is to Have The Majority of every country have a GLOBAL campaign of every country telling there government to dismantle and never use, or build nuclear weapons again, if every majority voted this in or made this happen the world would be a MUCH MUCH better place
its all just like The Book "watchmen" Would you Kill 15 Million People, all random, good people bad people, Children, women every one, if meant world Peace?
The Holocaust could happen again Nuclear weapons which make us "safe" is what you can thank for that,
The first step to saving the World is to Have The Majority of every country have a GLOBAL campaign of every country telling there government to dismantle and never use, or build nuclear weapons again, if every majority voted this in or made this happen the world would be a MUCH MUCH better place
Hitler murdered 6million Jews. All together he murdered 12-14 million in concentration and work camps.
Stalin numbers are hard to come up, but it's somewhere between 30-50 millions, although he had much longer regime. This is not counting Lenin years.
As far as "if Stalin hadn't Russia would have been crushed in ww2" - I am not sure what you mean there... I really hope you don't think that if Stalin didn't kill off his own people Russia would have been in a worse shape in the war then if he did. That's just nonsense. Stalin killed his most talented generals, he murdered the Red Army. Stalin murdered anyone who said that Germany will attack Russia prior to attack. He deliberately did not prepare the country for the attack by Germans even those so many spies were saying that it's coming. Richard Sorge (one of the best spies to live IMO) Told Stalin the day and the time the attack will begin. Nearly entire Red Army, who were very experienced solders due to revolution, war in Finland and Poland were wiped out in first days of the war. Stalin did not act until 2nd week of war, as he was "shocked". For rest of the war the Army was nothing but Amateur soldiers who for most part served as human shields for the tanks. They had kids serving in the Army because there were not enough people.
Better yet, Stalin allowed Hitler to use Russia as a training grounds for his army prior to war. In all honesty, if it wasn't for Stalin, Germany would have tough time even getting to Russia, hell, if it wasn't for Stalin Germany would have pretty damn tough time just getting Poland. Stalin helped A LOT with that one.
How is this, just like that? Please explain.
You realize that would never happen, right?
But it does apply. Killing people is a business, just like war is. Concentration camps were business, the wealth they collected from Jews and other people went straight to the government. There were trains of gold, silver and other goods collected from the victims going to Switzerland from concentration camps. I believe the estimate was 2.5 billion dollars (1945 money) were taken from the victims during the years of existence of concentration camps. Yet the cost of running concentration camps were greater due to, again, lack of plans and efficiency.
As far as efficiently killing people, first concentration camps didn't even have crematories. They figured they will burn the corpses out on the open with gasoline. Needless to say that didn't work. If thats not lack of planning, I don't know what is. They wasted a lot of money on concentration camps that could have gone to war efforts, which ultimately served as one of the reasons why they lost the war.
I already got in trouble once this week for getting political, but at the risk of getting banned, I am going to state, most emphatically yes.
It is unfortunate that the capacity for hate and ignorance still exists in the world, and even in supposed free countries, but it does. All you have to do is read the paper,cruise the net for something other than REAL COOL BASS SITES and porn. Arabs and Muslems want Israel gone, America gone. One trobe in Africa wants to annhilate another. Drive through the south of the US and prejudice against anyone who isn't a WASP is still there, we can use the bathroom now, though and ride on the bus. In China they have practiced discrimination against fellow Asians for eons and it is still happening. In France of all places, you can get arrested for wearing your traditional dress. Think about being of Scottish decent and getting arrested for wearing the kilt? Wear the scarf in a French school and you're busted. Strangely enough, I don't think it'll breakout in Germany or Japan, they learned from having there own, and are scared to death of it happening again. Why isn't the rest of the world?
All it takes for another genocidal holocaust is for the pendulum to swing the wrong way for a few years, an economic depression or some other damnedable excuse, that the poor can blame on the poorer, the not -so-rich-anymore on the still-have-a-chances. And we are off again, to the races.
And the band played on.....
Out of curiousity, could you steer me in the direction of some literature supporting the claim that holocaust - in its ineffectiveness - was a relevant reason for German defeat in WWII? My gut feeling would advice that the difference between the money they lost and what could have been earned would not have made a decisive, if even tangible, difference in the total war effort.
Stalins "5 year plans" were to revolutionize russia by 50 years,
he may have caused many of his people to die but he managed to modernize the country so when WW2 started russia was able to arm its self and its troops and with tanks etc
and Its like watchmen, Stalin knew millions of his people would die but he knew it was a "neccesary" sacrifice other wise they would have been crushed in WW2
and hitler in total in every thing inside his empire killed 8 million and Stalin killed 22 million (my eldest brother is a World war two historian and he rambles alot ¬¬ lol)
Its not like stalin just went "lets kill our own people!" And Lenin was a better man than Stalin, Stalin had Lenin killed
Its not Nonsense its the truth
And it could happen....
Some one may think that way because it is True, its a one or other argument, Let 15 million people Die for world peace or don't as that is a crime in itself
If my memory is still serving me correctly, majority opinion is that poor tactical military decisions made by Hitler were of notable detriment. One factor of many, but a factor nonetheless.
Regarding the OP's question, it is safe to say that, while not to the same level as those events which transpired in Germany, Russia, Southeast Asia and Eastern Europe, the focused killings of humans of a particular group/religion/ethnicity/tribe have not ceased in places like Africa. They have not ceased in Asia. And what has the world done in these matters?
Ok, makes sense regarding to 5 year plan crap. However he killed more just by a gun. Execution style.
Will do, I'll have to look through the books i have and through my old TA notes.
Yeah Defo
Hitler hated communism
I mean Communism doesn't really work but its a great idea if it was enforced/refined it would definitely be the best thing for the whole world
i believe in communism but i'm not a communist
its defiantly the right direction though
