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The Mike Lull Club Part 4

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Hi.

I'm Mike Lull M5V's owner in Korea.

I'm South Korean.

Nice to meet you.

My M5V was made by Mike in 2001.

Swamp Ash Body
Graphite Reinforced Maple Neck
Flame Maple Fretboard.
Seymour Duncan Custom Pickup
Bartolini NTMB Preamp.



I want to change my electronics...
I think m5v's sound is very modern...
not vintage..
but, it's not a passive circuit.
I know it can't be a vintage sound...


but... i want to as possible as made a vintage sound.

How do you think?

I'm looking for Sadowsky Hum-cancelling Pickups or
Nordstrand NJ5 single pickup.


Do Sadowsky and Nordstrand pickups are perfect combo in my NTMB circuit?


What is the best????

Nordy + NTMB
Sadowsky Hum-cancelling + NTMB

If NTMB is not good, I have a plan that change the pre-amp..
Hey there,
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Hi.

I'm Mike Lull M5V's owner in Korea.

I'm South Korean.

Nice to meet you.

My M5V was made by Mike in 2001.

Swamp Ash Body
Graphite Reinforced Maple Neck
Flame Maple Fretboard.
Seymour Duncan Custom Pickup
Bartolini NTMB Preamp.



I want to change my electronics...
I think m5v's sound is very modern...
not vintage..
but, it's not a passive circuit.
I know it can't be a vintage sound...


but... i want to as possible as made a vintage sound.

How do you think?

I'm looking for Sadowsky Hum-cancelling Pickups or
Nordstrand NJ5 single pickup.


Do Sadowsky and Nordstrand pickups are perfect combo in my NTMB circuit?


What is the best????

Nordy + NTMB
Sadowsky Hum-cancelling + NTMB

If NTMB is not good, I have a plan that change the pre-amp..
Hey there, I know this is an older post so forgive me if this reply is not needed. So, Mike can add a passive tone control without losing the midrange. I just had it done and it's pretty sweet. Also, I would say if you want a vintage sound, adding hum canceling pickups isn't going to do it. I just had hum canceling pups put in my M5V and in my opinion the single coils had more of a vintage sound. The hum canceling are nice because I play shows where there is a lot of electrical inference from lights etc and I got a lot of 60 cycle hum when not in the 12 o clock blend position. I would also say, if you want a vintage sound, get a vintage amp, or try the mark bass amps with the vintage emulator control. I have both an SVT with 4x10 and a Mark bass combo amp. I love the SVT but it's such a drag to take it places, and the mark bass does a pretty good job of capturing that vintage sound and it's much lighter weight.
 
I've noticed there haven't been as many Lull's in the classifieds as there used to be. Do you guys thinks it's because there haven't been as many new Lull's purchased, or because more people are holding on to their Lull's? I think the price increases over the last few years have played a big part in that.

I bought my first Lull in 2011. It was a V4, and I ordered it as a custom build. I had it built with a quarter-sawn neck, which was a $200 upcharge, and also with a G&G hardshell case, which was more expensive than a gig bag. Even with those extra costs, the total cost of the bass was only around $2,100 or $2,200. That bass would be around $3,000 brand new now.

I've owned a total of seven Lull basses in my life. For the most part, I've owned two at a time, and would sell one in order to fund another. They're my favorite basses in the world, and I'd rather play a Lull than anything else. All of the Lull's I've owned, I've gotten at a great price because they were either used or new-old-stock. My only two basses right now are both Lull P4's. I got both at an incredible price (about a year or two apart) because they were both new-old-stock when I got them. One, I've had for about 3 years now, and the other I've had for about a year and a half.

I'd like to eventually get a 34" M5V, but I don't know if I'll ever be able to... After the price increases of the past few years, a brand new build has exceeded my price range, and I don't see a lot of used Lull's in the classifieds like I used to. I got such a good deal on my two P4's, and they're so much more expensive brand new now, it makes me want to hang on to mine that much more. Not to mention, I'm a P bass fan, and these are the best P basses I've ever played.

So what do you guys think? Have the price increases over the past few years affected your ability to buy a new Lull? Any theories on why there aren't a lot of used ones popping up anymore? I'm certainly happy to have lucked up on my two P4's, both at a great NOS price.
 
I think its more of a function of fewer total basses out there in the wild, so fewer naturally end up for sale at any point in time. I could be completely wrong, but I think that, plus (naturally) the fact that they are generally loved, is the main reason.
 
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  • Are you basing your assumption there are fewer used Lulls for sale on more than anecdotal/cursory observation?
  • Assuming there are indeed fewer, new MSRP price could certainly be a factor I would think.
  • I don't think Lull prices have gone up at a faster pace than most premium basses., e.g. a Sadowsky is now $5k+. And look @ Modulus....wow!
  • If we're speculating, I'd say that the economy is such that there is a segment of the population that is doing quite well and has the means to load up on toys like premium basses. Add that costs for manufacturers are surely going up. So prices go up.
  • I would guess a new Lull is less affordable today for someone with a median income than ten years ago. But you can still score deals on used Lulls...relatively speaking. I had a couple different super nice Lull M4Vs at around $1700, and I never found a buyer for either one. That's a good deal, and not much more than a Fender "Professional"....which is meant to be accessible to the masses. That would suggest to me that there isn't a huge pent up demand for affordable Lull basses.

I've noticed there haven't been as many Lull's in the classifieds as there used to be. Do you guys thinks it's because there haven't been as many new Lull's purchased, or because more people are holding on to their Lull's? I think the price increases over the last few years have played a big part in that.

I bought my first Lull in 2011. It was a V4, and I ordered it as a custom build. I had it built with a quarter-sawn neck, which was a $200 upcharge, and also with a G&G hardshell case, which was more expensive than a gig bag. Even with those extra costs, the total cost of the bass was only around $2,100 or $2,200. That bass would be around $3,000 brand new now.

I've owned a total of seven Lull basses in my life. For the most part, I've owned two at a time, and would sell one in order to fund another. They're my favorite basses in the world, and I'd rather play a Lull than anything else. All of the Lull's I've owned, I've gotten at a great price because they were either used or new-old-stock. My only two basses right now are both Lull P4's. I got both at an incredible price (about a year or two apart) because they were both new-old-stock when I got them. One, I've had for about 3 years now, and the other I've had for about a year and a half.

I'd like to eventually get a 34" M5V, but I don't know if I'll ever be able to... After the price increases of the past few years, a brand new build has exceeded my price range, and I don't see a lot of used Lull's in the classifieds like I used to. I got such a good deal on my two P4's, and they're so much more expensive brand new now, it makes me want to hang on to mine that much more. Not to mention, I'm a P bass fan, and these are the best P basses I've ever played.

So what do you guys think? Have the price increases over the past few years affected your ability to buy a new Lull? Any theories on why there aren't a lot of used ones popping up anymore? I'm certainly happy to have lucked up on my two P4's, both at a great NOS price.
 
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And by the way, if there is anyone out there that is pining away for a nice M4V and is a lamenting a dearth of reasonable prices, I'm still willing to sell my M4V @ $1700 shipped. See my signature for the ad/details. No trades and price is super firm.
 
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While I'm at it, I had a question for you Lull-ites. Surely, many of you have seen this (just the beginning).

Forgive me if this is asked and discussed already. Per the video, are we missing some good tone due to chambered bodies? Anyone custom ordered non-chambered bodies from Lull?

 
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You basically answered your own question :)
True. I think the other half of the equation is that there are less middle-class people buying new Lull's now, because of the affordability. So that's causing less of them to show up in the used market. But like @CaptainWally said, it's not just Lull's. Sadowsky NYC's are now over 5 grand, and even the Sadowsky Metro's are now around $2,800 new. This goes for many other brands too.

But for people who are looking for a nice, new bass in the low $2,000 range, they now have basses like Fender American's and MM Stingrays covering that price range. Whereas that price range used to score you a nice, new Lull or Sadowsky Metro just a few short years ago.
 
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While I'm at it, I had a question for you Lull-ites. Surely, many of you have seen this (just the beginning).

Forgive me if this is asked and discussed already. Per the video, are we missing some good tone due to chambered bodies? Anyone custom ordered non-chambered bodies from Lull?



Good question...
I prefer heavier instruments and to me when I had my basses built by Mike I just leave it to them to decide what is right.

My TP5 are not chambered, 35" scale and still just barely over 8.5 lbs and sound like growly thunder.
 
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I picked up a Lull just to try one out, but it has not wowed me. I currently stick with the Roscoe and the Laklands. So price point and no "Wow" factor to pull those sales away from a Fender or Music Man. I mean it's light, but so are the rest of mine.
 
I picked up a Lull just to try one out, but it has not wowed me. I currently stick with the Roscoe and the Laklands. So price point and no "Wow" factor to pull those sales away from a Fender or Music Man. I mean it's light, but so are the rest of mine.

Goes to show that many people have different tastes and preferences. My experience was the opposite. I had a Fender American Standard Jazz before I bought my first Lull. When I got my first Lull, the difference in quality was so noticeable that I had to sell the Fender. I wouldn't have played it anymore.
 
Here's some recent shots from a local festival gig.
The Lull sisters made a "joyful noise".
Lightweight and tone for days - the best workin' players bass.
Love these girls ;) :bassist:

BTW - check the young woman drinking as everyone else is singing - Priorities!!

:roflmao:


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Goes to show that many people have different tastes and preferences. My experience was the opposite. I had a Fender American Standard Jazz before I bought my first Lull. When I got my first Lull, the difference in quality was so noticeable that I had to sell the Fender. I wouldn't have played it anymore.

Too each his own, I say. That is why there are hundreds to choose from and thank goodness for that.
 
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Are there any other Lull P-4 shortscale players on here? I am hoping to create a list of strings that fit this bass. because it is string through, many shortscale strings are too short and the mediums are too long. Just spent $80 on two sets of Roto flat wounds and neither worked. Apologies if this should be in the string forum but I wanted to get the advice of other Lull short scale players.
 
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Are there any other Lull P-4 shortscale players on here? I am hoping to create a list of strings that fit this bass. because it is string through, many shortscale strings are too short and the mediums are too long. Just spent $80 on two sets of Roto flat wounds and neither worked. Apologies if this should be in the string forum but I wanted to get the advice of other Lull short scale players.
I would contact the shop and ask...
I'm pretty sure that they are stringing up with D'Addiro so ping them for exactly what they suggest.
 
I picked up a Lull just to try one out, but it has not wowed me. I currently stick with the Roscoe and the Laklands. So price point and no "Wow" factor to pull those sales away from a Fender or Music Man. I mean it's light, but so are the rest of mine.

To each his / her own I suppose; just find it odd that someone would go on a "Fan Club" page and state they were unimpressed.... Have a great day!
 
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Are there any other Lull P-4 shortscale players on here? I am hoping to create a list of strings that fit this bass. because it is string through, many shortscale strings are too short and the mediums are too long. Just spent $80 on two sets of Roto flat wounds and neither worked. Apologies if this should be in the string forum but I wanted to get the advice of other Lull short scale players.

I had one, but alas sold it. does not your bridge allow for string-thru as well as top load? Also, how can strings be too long? sure, you end up cutting off more than you'd like since you paid for a longer string, but they will still work, no?
 
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Hello all,

I have 2 Lull related questions:
- Anyone use a Mono Vertigo bag with their M5V? Mine doesn't fit very well, while my M80 double bag fits perfectly. Pictures are worth a thousand words and all...

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-Second, has anyone swapped the vintage truss rod nut for a hex wrench ended one? If so, what's the size (yes, I could take it apart and find out myself, but that's less time I can be playing this wonderful bass).

Thanks!