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the official "I hate NASCAR" thread

secretdonkey said:
So Tim, are you signing on to Munji's latest oh-so-clever oblique slight of autocross? Just want to know if I think you're a hyprocrite or just innocently oblivious to the fact that he's being a real wee wee? I give you the benefit of the doubt, but inquiring minds want to know...

:)
No, not at all. Do I consider it a top level form of racing? Not really. Is it challenging? I am sure it is! While it IMO is not a top form of the sport, it is cool than anyone can bring any vehicle and challenge themselves. The fast and furious bunch give it a bad rep IMO. While I don't consider it top level, it doesn't cost tens of thousands of dollars to go have fun, which is the reason I am no longer involved in racing myself, just can't afford it.....but I have no aspirations of taking my daily vehicle and beating the crap out of it on a road course either. Maybe I am getting old :)

JR, I guess maybe we are on the same page, but in quite different terms. In my opinion, every discipline takes skill, precision, and lots of work.
 
jrthebassguy said:
Have I raced before? No. But if you read one of my earlier posts, I said my dad did the exact same thing, only with motorcycles. During his day he even hit some of the nascar tracks (like talladega). I'm willing to bet motocycles are a far more physically demanding experience than a car is, anyday.

I'm also sure racing like Moto Gp, F1, and rally is far more of a harder style racing to pull off. Going 180 into a wide left turn is one thing. Maybe F1 cars aren't as fast, but when the turns are far narrower and much more unexpected, you're in for a tougher experience. I'm not against racing. Just overly repetitive racing.


What I absolutely love is how you claim me for generalizing, yet you're doing the exact same thing about teens (read your lower post).

I imagine they are equally demanding. Bike races take less time (the ones I have seen were only about 75 laps i.e. hour and a half tops) while Nascar goes on for about 3-4 hours depending on the track.

I know for sure that Nascar drivers lose about 10-20 lbs over the course of a race, that sounds pretty demanding to me.

Also to give you an idea of what the Nascar driver is experiencing for 3 hours, imagine driving incredibly fast with fourty other cars that are less than a few feet away from you for an entire race. I don't even like getting boxed in on an Interstate going 70 :D

If you had ever really watched a Nascar race and learned about the sport, you would realize that after the addition of restrictor plates most races are neck and neck the entire race. Before restrictor plates, those cars (think late seventies to mid eighties) could travel in excess of 220 at either Daytona or Talladega (can't remember which). That is impressive, no matter the kind of racecar that can pull off that feat.

I love F1 and I enjoy Nascar just as much, but I don't view one as being more advanced or more difficult that the other.

An F1 driver probably wouldn't be very good at Nascar and a Nascar driver probably wouldn't be very good at F1.
 
Well, I respect all forms of motorsports because in todays world, to be competitive, you have to be a mechanical genius just about. That being said, I definitely prefer drag racing. Who can argue with these facts:

One dragster's 500-inch Hemi makes more horsepower then the first 8 rows at
Daytona

Under full throttle, a dragster engine consumes 1 1/2 gallons of nitro per
second, the same rate of fuel consumption as a fully loaded 747 but with 4 times
the energy volume.

The supercharger takes more power to drive then a stock hemi makes.

Even with nearly 3000 CFM of air being rammed in by the supercharger on
overdrive, the fuel mixture is compressed into nearly-solid form before
ignition. Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock.

Dual magnetos apply 44 amps to each spark plug. This is the output of an arc
welder in each cylinder.

At stoichiometric (exact) 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture (for nitro), the flame front
of nitromethane measures 7050 degrees F.

Nitromethane burns yellow. The spectacular white flame seen above the stacks
at night is raw burning hydrogen, dissociated from atmospheric water vapor by
the searing exhaust gases.

Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during a pass. After ½ way, the
engine is dieseling from compression-plus the glow of exhaust valves at 1400
degrees F. The engine can only be shut down by cutting of it's fuel flow.

If spark momentarily fails early in the run, unburned nitro builds up in
those cylinders and then explodes with a force that can blow cylinder heads off
the block in pieces or blow the block in half.

Dragsters twist the crank (torsionally) so far (20 degrees in the big end of
the track) that sometimes cam lobes are ground offset from front to rear to
re-phase the valve timing somewhere closer to synchronization with the pistons.

To exceed 300mph in 4.5 seconds dragsters must accelerate at an average of
over 4G's. But in reaching 200 mph well before 1/2 track, launch acceleration is
closer to 8G's.

If all the equipment is paid off, the crew worked for free, and for once
NOTHING BLOWS UP, each run costs $1000.00 per second.

Dragsters reach over 300 miles per hour before you have read this sentence.

Now that is about Top Fuel cars, but I'm continually amazed by Pro Stock. The technology and supreme know-how in that class is astounding. Having a whole field seperated by 1 tenth is quite amazing if you ask me. I just wish someone would beat Greg Anderson every now and then. ;)

And for any Funny Car fans out there, John Force rules end of discussioni. :D
 
I must say, the slow motion launches I have seen where the wheel hub spins nearly 1/2 turn before the tire "tread" starts moving on a top fuel dragster is impressive. As well, you cannot disrespect a vehicle that no matter how costly to run and service usually starts it's forward movement at 60mph.

Bernie Connors said:
Well, I respect all forms of motorsports because in todays world, to be competitive, you have to be a mechanical genius just about. That being said, I definitely prefer drag racing. Who can argue with these facts:

One dragster's 500-inch Hemi makes more horsepower then the first 8 rows at
Daytona

Under full throttle, a dragster engine consumes 1 1/2 gallons of nitro per
second, the same rate of fuel consumption as a fully loaded 747 but with 4 times
the energy volume.

The supercharger takes more power to drive then a stock hemi makes.

Even with nearly 3000 CFM of air being rammed in by the supercharger on
overdrive, the fuel mixture is compressed into nearly-solid form before
ignition. Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock.

Dual magnetos apply 44 amps to each spark plug. This is the output of an arc
welder in each cylinder.

At stoichiometric (exact) 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture (for nitro), the flame front
of nitromethane measures 7050 degrees F.

Nitromethane burns yellow. The spectacular white flame seen above the stacks
at night is raw burning hydrogen, dissociated from atmospheric water vapor by
the searing exhaust gases.

Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during a pass. After ½ way, the
engine is dieseling from compression-plus the glow of exhaust valves at 1400
degrees F. The engine can only be shut down by cutting of it's fuel flow.

If spark momentarily fails early in the run, unburned nitro builds up in
those cylinders and then explodes with a force that can blow cylinder heads off
the block in pieces or blow the block in half.

Dragsters twist the crank (torsionally) so far (20 degrees in the big end of
the track) that sometimes cam lobes are ground offset from front to rear to
re-phase the valve timing somewhere closer to synchronization with the pistons.

To exceed 300mph in 4.5 seconds dragsters must accelerate at an average of
over 4G's. But in reaching 200 mph well before 1/2 track, launch acceleration is
closer to 8G's.

If all the equipment is paid off, the crew worked for free, and for once
NOTHING BLOWS UP, each run costs $1000.00 per second.

Dragsters reach over 300 miles per hour before you have read this sentence.

Now that is about Top Fuel cars, but I'm continually amazed by Pro Stock. The technology and supreme know-how in that class is astounding. Having a whole field seperated by 1 tenth is quite amazing if you ask me. I just wish someone would beat Greg Anderson every now and then. ;)

And for any Funny Car fans out there, John Force rules end of discussioni. :D
 
Bernie Connors said:
I'm continually amazed by Pro Stock. The technology and supreme know-how in that class is astounding. Having a whole field seperated by 1 tenth is quite amazing if you ask me. I just wish someone would beat Greg Anderson every now and then. ;)

I like Pro Stock, but I think the most interesting class (imo, anyway) is Super Stock. There are a ton of limitations placed on these cars, and they can crack into the nines with smallblocks and quadrajets.

I also like Competition Eliminator. In that class you get to see alot of different combos (4 and 6 cylinder engines) that haul a$$.
 
DigMe said:
You got it all wrong...

"I want to be a race car passenger: just a guy who bugs the driver. "Say man, can I turn on the radio? You should slow down. Why do we gotta keep going in circles? Can I put my feet out the window? Man, you really like Tide..."

You can't mess up the "Tide" line because it's the funniest part.

brad cook

Sorry, it's been a while since I've seen his special.
 
Tim Cole said:
Bass is easy, anybody can play it. It's all root notes, they never have to play anything hard, and they are never really even seen, heard, or even noticed.

Does this statement strike a nerve with anyone? Why is that? Because it is endless rambling by the uninformed, and shows ignorance for something they obviously know nothing about.

The idiotic uninformed statements here strike the same nerves with me. Quartebacking is just throwing and handing off balls right? pfft, I can do that like no ones business fron the couch.

Oh I get your analogy, allow me to retort.

NASCAR is to Fieldy as
F1 and any other sophisticated racing is to Jaco

It's all perspective. Sure NASCAR is impressive to a person that knows nothing about racing, but compared to any other sophisticated racing (F1, CART, WRC), it's utter garbage.

If NASCAR was run by Europeans, Americans wouldn't watch it.

edit (jt) : offensive slurs removed. consider yourself warned.
 
Lefty Punk Bass said:
Oh I get your analogy, allow me to retort.

NASCAR is to Fieldy as
F1 and any other sophisticated racing is to Jaco

It's all perspective. Sure NASCAR is impressive to a person that knows nothing about racing, but compared to any other sophisticated racing (F1, CART, WRC), it's utter garbage.

If NASCAR was run by Europeans, Americans wouldn't watch it. But that stupid American pride kicks in where they take the American product, no matter how much it sucks compared to the other product (you know the ones, that only buy Ford, etc)

What is VERY funny right now is some guy WITHOUT a redneck accent is winning the recent NASCAR races and the fans are getting pissed off. :D
Um, first off they are called "stock cars" for a reason, hence the rules that keep them what they are. If they went to outlaw rules, who knows where it would be.

[BIG restraint] Secondly, you can take your anti-american slur elsewhere, I would expect nothing less from someone with a username like that.[/BIG restaint]
 
Not meant as a dig, but more of an observation: You slam US made stuff, but yet in your profile, it states your gear is more or less bottom to low mid junk?


It also says you are proud of your 12 year old Laser? LOL 80's-early 90's mopar are known for their awesome technology and quality, hence the man of style Al Bundy owing one himself.....rock on.

The only thing that surprised me out of your profile, is the birth date by a few years, but that could just be immaturity.....my bad.
 
Lefty Punk Bass said:
Oh I get your analogy, allow me to retort.

NASCAR is to Fieldy as
F1 and any other sophisticated racing is to Jaco

It's all perspective. Sure NASCAR is impressive to a person that knows nothing about racing, but compared to any other sophisticated racing (F1, CART, WRC), it's utter garbage.

It's all perspective. Sure, punk is impressive to a person that knows nothing about music, but compared to any other sophisticated music (JAZZ, CLASSICAL, ETC), it's utter garbage.

If NASCAR was run by Europeans, Americans wouldn't watch it. But that stupid American pride kicks in where they take the American product, no matter how much it sucks compared to the other product (you know the ones, that only buy Ford, etc)

If American pride and products suck so badly, then leave.
 
Bernie Connors said:
Well, I respect all forms of motorsports because in todays world, to be competitive, you have to be a mechanical genius just about. That being said, I definitely prefer drag racing. Who can argue with these facts:

One dragster's 500-inch Hemi makes more horsepower then the first 8 rows at
Daytona

Under full throttle, a dragster engine consumes 1 1/2 gallons of nitro per
second, the same rate of fuel consumption as a fully loaded 747 but with 4 times
the energy volume.

The supercharger takes more power to drive then a stock hemi makes.

Even with nearly 3000 CFM of air being rammed in by the supercharger on
overdrive, the fuel mixture is compressed into nearly-solid form before
ignition. Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock.

Dual magnetos apply 44 amps to each spark plug. This is the output of an arc
welder in each cylinder.

At stoichiometric (exact) 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture (for nitro), the flame front
of nitromethane measures 7050 degrees F.

Nitromethane burns yellow. The spectacular white flame seen above the stacks
at night is raw burning hydrogen, dissociated from atmospheric water vapor by
the searing exhaust gases.

Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during a pass. After ½ way, the
engine is dieseling from compression-plus the glow of exhaust valves at 1400
degrees F. The engine can only be shut down by cutting of it's fuel flow.

If spark momentarily fails early in the run, unburned nitro builds up in
those cylinders and then explodes with a force that can blow cylinder heads off
the block in pieces or blow the block in half.

Dragsters twist the crank (torsionally) so far (20 degrees in the big end of
the track) that sometimes cam lobes are ground offset from front to rear to
re-phase the valve timing somewhere closer to synchronization with the pistons.

To exceed 300mph in 4.5 seconds dragsters must accelerate at an average of
over 4G's. But in reaching 200 mph well before 1/2 track, launch acceleration is
closer to 8G's.

If all the equipment is paid off, the crew worked for free, and for once
NOTHING BLOWS UP, each run costs $1000.00 per second.

Dragsters reach over 300 miles per hour before you have read this sentence.

Now that is about Top Fuel cars, but I'm continually amazed by Pro Stock. The technology and supreme know-how in that class is astounding. Having a whole field seperated by 1 tenth is quite amazing if you ask me. I just wish someone would beat Greg Anderson every now and then. ;)

And for any Funny Car fans out there, John Force rules end of discussioni. :D
Those facts are truly amazing. No joke. Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Frijoles Negros said:
Who would have thought there were so many gearheads on here.
Please post if any of you are going to race in the Gainesville/Orlando area.
..especially if its a SBC.


Isnt there a big streetcar race in Orlando every year?
Do you ever go to any of the NSCA races?
Check out Invalid Link Removed for a wild 7 second sbc Camaro.

Heres a few shots of my Camaro (with thanks to DigMe for the resize job).