The Orville

[Killed_by_Death]

I've been sold on the idea that the show had some moral or ideological value to it and I just don't see it.

I'm not sure how you could miss it, or why this thread has turned into the "bash TOS" thread.

Maybe try watching Day of the Dove:

Episode Preview: Day of the Dove

 

[hbarcat]

Yes but Picard's response made the episode. He fell in love with her. And I think she did too. She was designed for that purpose but they really fell for each other and both had to live with that for the sake of duty. Kirk was never that deep or interesting.

I think Patrick Stewart was essential to the success of that series and the writing and plots that he was given were top notch. I like Shatner, but his character seemed 1 dimensional to me.

I'm probably being too critical of a show that was written in the 60's.

 

[buldog5151bass]

I understand all that. TOS was competing with "Lost in Space" and that makes it a Shakespearian masterpiece by comparison. But I've been sold on the idea that the show had some moral or ideological value to it and I just don't see it.

I feel the same about Godzilla. Way overrated. I get the point that it was more meanigful in the context of the cold war mentality of the time, but I think simple nostalgia has more to do with why people like it today. Frankly, the only value I've ever gotten from Godzilla was the MST3K treatment of the movies.

Lots of the stories were allegories, and were slipping in political and social messages, often about acceptance of those who were "different". A big part is that it was slipping in these messages in a pop art context. Back then, you had to be subtle.

 

[ONYX]

I wonder why they don't have transporter technology. Everything else seems to be TNG level tech but no transporters. It's odd.

This is just conjecture.......

Transporter technology in a plot situation tends to be abused. Too many situations are easily resolved with a simple command of "beam us out of here"---a.k.a deus ex machina.

 

[Gorn]

I think Patrick Stewart was essential to the success of that series and the writing and plots that he was given were top notch. I like Shatner, but his character seemed 1 dimensional to me.

I'm probably being too critical of a show that was written in the 60's.

Patrick Stewart is amazing. My all time favorite actor and Picard is my all time favorite character. Every aspect of his personality is something I admire. His intelligence and ethics. He's daring and brave but not stupid or impulsive. He loves the ladies and the ladies love him but he's forever humble. He can kick ass when he needs to but he'll avoid it at all costs. That's why I HATE what they did to his character in the movies and I don't hndertand why he let them do it. Well, a paycheck is a paycheck and people change over time, but this

is not Jean-Luc Picard. He didn't hate the Borg. He didn't like them, but he wasn't driven to Tommy gun wielding madness. "I will make them pay for what they've done." No. Just no.

 

[Killed_by_Death]

Yeah, but that was post-assimilation.
Being captured by the enemy probably soured him pretty good to the Borg.

New Orville tomorrow night!

Transporter technology in a plot situation tends to be abused.

In TOS they decided to use "transporting" to escape making fancy shuttlecraft scenes.

 

[Gorn]

Yeah, but that was post-assimilation.
Being captured by the enemy probably soured him pretty good to the Borg.

New Orville tomorrow night!

There were 3 seasons of Picard post assimilation. He could've destroyed the Borg but it meant using a drone who'd discovered his individuality so he didn't do it. He considered it, but didn't do it. His rage in the movies was completely out of character.

 

[hbarcat]

I'm not sure how you could miss it, or why this thread has turned into the "bash TOS" thread.

Maybe try watching Day of the Dove:

Episode Preview: Day of the Dove

I watched "Space Seed" (The episode with Khan) and reeeeealy liked it. Damn good writing and the twist at the end was perfect.

 

[Gorn]

Then go! Or stay but if you CHOOSE to.

Khan had game.

 

[Killed_by_Death]

Check out Wrath of Khan if you like Space Seed.

 

[Alkali Ike]

Re TOS: Try "City on the Edge of Forever" and "Amok Time" if you haven't seen them already.

 

[Gorn]

He tasks me. He tasks me and I shall have him.

 

[hbarcat]

Check out Wrath of Khan if you like Space Seed.

View attachment 2780005

The best of all the ST movies.

Spoiler alert:
Spock dies at the end.

 

[hbarcat]

I'm one of the few people on the planet who actually liked "StarTrek: The Motion Picture".

The plot where a machine evolves into intelligent life shows up in later ST episodes of several series and of course in hard science fiction very commonly. I believe the science officer in the Orville is an evolved machine - no?

 

[Killed_by_Death]

Many believe that "Vger" came from where the Borg originated.
I can appreciate TMP, but WoK is still my fave of the original cast, while First Contact is my fave with TNG cast.

Kelly Hu was on Orville tonight:

not as sexy as I recall from the Scorpion King or that Viagra ad

 

[Rocker949]

I found the rental car references amusing in that episode.

 

[mellowinman]

There were 3 seasons of Picard post assimilation. He could've destroyed the Borg but it meant using a drone who'd discovered his individuality so he didn't do it. He considered it, but didn't do it. His rage in the movies was completely out of character.

I'm not a fan of that movie character arc either. In fact, the TNG movies aren't my favorite. I love the TOS movies, and all other films just don't make it.

In fact, that's probably why I like the Orville a bit; Star Trek has taken itself waaaaaay too seriously for too long.

 

[Killed_by_Death]

I found the rental car references amusing in that episode.

I knew that was coming, immediately after they mentioned Avis.

It was amusing how they could just go over to the enemy's ship w/o knowing the language, but it happened on Romulus in TNG as well.

 

[Alkali Ike]

This crazy show continues to make me laugh. And it has just the right amount of Trek-derived substance.

I’m still in.

 

[bluesblaster]

Me too