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The Sushi Box FX Secret Society

#26,161
rickdog said:
Wow, that's a lot of capability and features in a very small box! It looks like a credible alternative to the Arkham Oracle (which by the way now needs an external power supply).

Is the 1/4" output sufficiently low impedance and high enough level to drive a power amp directly?
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The 1/4" output is tube buffered and has an output impedance of about 500Ω so it should be good to drive most power amps directly.
 
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Sushi Box FX said:
Basically the same circuit as the original More, but uses a NOS 12AV7 instead of the 12AU7 and adds a switchable HPF ("bass cut"). It's a collaboration with Doug Weiand, guitarist for Edge of Paradise, after he used More in the loop of his Mesa mk vii amp and enjoyed what it did for tightening and focusing his high-gain tone. It will probably drop sometime in March.

Call me a bad salesman, but if you're a bassist and already have a More v1, there isn't really any reason to get the More v2. It does look neat though.
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Well most bad salesmen get fired. So you gonna stand in front of the mirror and fire yourself? :laugh:

All kidding aside, I can see the HPF definitely adding value to the pedal. I already have a Broughton variable HPF, and 2 of my 3 amps are Mesa Subway heads, so they have variable HPFs as well. I'll never run a bass without an HPF again. For someone who doesn't have a HPF and looking to getting a More, the v2 is two birds with one stone...

I do have a couple of questions

1) Why the swap from the 12AU7 to the 12AV7 and what differences could one expect from the tube swap?

2) Are you going to continue to offer the More v1 or will it be discontinued and replaced by this v2 of the More?
 
#26,163
Clark W said:
Well most bad salesmen get fired. So you gonna stand in front of the mirror and fire yourself? :laugh:

All kidding aside, I can see the HPF definitely adding value to the pedal. I already have a Broughton variable HPF, and 2 of my 3 amps are Mesa Subway heads, so they have variable HPFs as well. I'll never run a bass without an HPF again. For someone who doesn't have a HPF and looking to getting a More, the v2 is two birds with one stone...

I do have a couple of questions

1) Why the swap from the 12AU7 to the 12AV7 and what differences could one expect from the tube swap?

2) Are you going to continue to offer the More v1 or will it be discontinued and replaced by this v2 of the More?
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1) That was mostly Doug's choice, he felt that the 12AV7 had a certain je ne sais quoi when he was rolling tubes through. It has a little higher output than 12AU7, and it works really well in the circuit.

2) More v1 will be discontinued when More v2 drops, this will be the only More going forward. That's why v1 has been on sale.
 
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Sushi Box FX said:
1) That was mostly Doug's choice, he felt that the 12AV7 had a certain je ne sais quoi when he was rolling tubes through. It has a little higher output than 12AU7, and it works really well in the circuit.

2) More v1 will be discontinued when More v2 drops, this will be the only More going forward. That's why v1 has been on sale.
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I'm guessing the HPF has an "Off" point for those that don't need it on?
 
#26,165
Sushi Box FX said:
Basically the same circuit as the original More, but uses a NOS 12AV7 instead of the 12AU7 and adds a switchable HPF ("bass cut"). It's a collaboration with Doug Weiand, guitarist for Edge of Paradise, after he used More in the loop of his Mesa Mark VII amp and enjoyed what it did for tightening and focusing his high-gain tone. It will probably drop sometime in March.

Call me a bad salesman, but if you're a bassist and already have a More v1, there isn't really any reason to get the More v2. It does look neat though.
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That's a relief! :laugh: I just bought a More v1 (couldn't resist the sale), and I have an HPF on my pedalboard already... and, coincidentally, just came across a 12AV7 (used, provenance unknown) in my box-o-tubes.
 
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Would imagine (=guess) the dlxe versions sound exactly like the originals with an HPF in series, which is exactly how I use 'em. The added DI is bonus if you need it, but I'm ab amateur who's never ampless/ always has the DI on my head. From where I sit, the feature that would make these sound even better would be an active, sweepable mid...but that would be an entirely different beast, and I simply get my mid boost elsewhere in the chain. It's a delicate balance between the uncontrollable desire for more features, size, cost, power requirement, etc.
 
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Sushi Box FX said:
And as a designer the extra cost is going to depend on how much juice you're trying to get out of an onboard supply. If you're trying to get multiple isolated 9V 660mA taps, the size is going to get incredibly large and the pedal will get very expensive. I appreciate the appeal of a single AC input running an entire board which is why I considered it, but trying to shove it into these would lead to design compromises that I didn't think would be worth it.

All that being said, I had a weird idea while I was typing this, so we'll see where that goes.
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For my purposes, sufficient amps to power a tuner (60 mA), boost (40 mA), and Sadowsky outboard (3 mA), would be sufficient. So, something like 200 mA would be VERY practical.

I recognize many of your customers are stacking tube sections, and that smaller power capability should not provide for such boards.
 
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Clark W said:
I'm guessing the HPF has an "Off" point for those that don't need it on?
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The HPF is a fixed frequency with an on-off switch; with the HPF off the circuit is identical to the More v1.

lomo said:
Would imagine (=guess) the dlxe versions sound exactly like the originals with an HPF in series
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Kind of, but restructuring the gain stages had a bigger impact than I expected. For example, UA comes stock with a 12AX7, but in the Deluxe it uses a 12AU7 and 12AT7. Both are dual triodes, and half of the 12AT7 is used for the 1/4" output buffer, which leaves 2x 12AU7 stages and 1x 12AT7 stage for the preamp. This still has less drive than a pair of 12AX7 stages (though I did experiment with 12AT7 and 12AX7 in the V1 position, both work well if you're looking for drive), but the tonal character changes when you have additional gainstages in the preamp, which is why I added the second tube instead of just leaving it as a single tube preamp and a MOSFET output buffer.
 
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While the MORE is getting a slight revision, I think a worthy inclusion might be a BIG KNOB

only kidding, but they are fun

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tidbits said:
While the MORE is getting a slight revision, I think a worthy inclusion might be a BIG KNOB

only kidding, but they are fun

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I actually did bring that up during our design discussions and mentioned there are plenty of options out there, but he liked the existing (boring) size.
 
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lomo said:
The pics show a toggle to turn it off. That said, if you don't have one elsewhere in your chain, you may find the HPF to be a superb help with eq. It allows you to emphasize lows more, without losing definition.
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I have a Broughton variable HPF pedal, a Mesa D-800+ with built in variable HPF, and a Mesa Bass 800D with a built in variable HPF.
 
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Hi everyone,

I just received a brand new Sushi Box FX Finally V3 from the US today and I’m trying to figure out whether my unit is defective or if I’m missing something obvious.

Setup:

  • Bass → Finally V3 → amp (1/4" out)
  • Power: Cioks DC7, tested with 9V and 12V, up to 1000 mA
  • Different cables and instruments tested
  • HPF on/off makes no difference
Problem:

  • To reach anything close to unity gain, I have to turn the Level knob almost fully clockwise
  • About 5/6 of the Level pot’s rotation does basically nothing
  • In the last part of the rotation, the volume suddenly jumps up
  • At that point I get high-frequency squealing and very high noise floor
  • The Level pot scratches/knisters audibly when turned
  • Once the Level suddenly comes up, the Gain knob becomes extremely sensitive – even minimal increase gets way too loud and distorted
From my understanding, this doesn’t seem like normal tube behavior. I’ve ruled out power supply issues and cabling, and the scratching + dead zone on the Level pot feels more like a mechanical or electrical fault.

Has anyone experienced something similar with a Finally V3?
Is this expected behavior, or does this sound like a DOA / faulty pot or connection?

Any input is appreciated. Thanks!
Peter
 
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Nitrofunk said:
Hi everyone,

I just received a brand new Sushi Box FX Finally V3 from the US today and I’m trying to figure out whether my unit is defective or if I’m missing something obvious.

Setup:

  • Bass → Finally V3 → amp (1/4" out)
  • Power: Cioks DC7, tested with 9V and 12V, up to 1000 mA
  • Different cables and instruments tested
  • HPF on/off makes no difference
Problem:

  • To reach anything close to unity gain, I have to turn the Level knob almost fully clockwise
  • About 5/6 of the Level pot’s rotation does basically nothing
  • In the last part of the rotation, the volume suddenly jumps up
  • At that point I get high-frequency squealing and very high noise floor
  • The Level pot scratches/knisters audibly when turned
  • Once the Level suddenly comes up, the Gain knob becomes extremely sensitive – even minimal increase gets way too loud and distorted
From my understanding, this doesn’t seem like normal tube behavior. I’ve ruled out power supply issues and cabling, and the scratching + dead zone on the Level pot feels more like a mechanical or electrical fault.

Has anyone experienced something similar with a Finally V3?
Is this expected behavior, or does this sound like a DOA / faulty pot or connection?

Any input is appreciated. Thanks!
Peter
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Hey Peter, I've been behind on answering emails lately, but I just responded to you. It sounds like something is wrong with the unit.
 

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