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The Sushi Box FX Secret Society

I've been racking my brain with this one, I've come to love blenders and FXloops with filters, as pretty much everything I use now is in some kind of parallel circuit.
You're talking about creating, basically a routing box, with maybe some filters, but whats the advantage of have a valve in there? Don't get me wrong, everything I use have some kind of tube (I have found a limit though), but wouldn't you want to keep it as quiet possible?
 
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I've been racking my brain with this one, I've come to love blenders and FXloops with filters, as pretty much everything I use now is in some kind of parallel circuit.
You're talking about creating, basically a routing box, with maybe some filters, but whats the advantage of have a valve in there? Don't get me wrong, everything I use have some kind of tube (I have found a limit though), but wouldn't you want to keep it as quiet possible?
It may just add tube flavor for guys that don't have a tube stage else where in their chain
 
I've been racking my brain with this one, I've come to love blenders and FXloops with filters, as pretty much everything I use now is in some kind of parallel circuit.
You're talking about creating, basically a routing box, with maybe some filters, but whats the advantage of have a valve in there? Don't get me wrong, everything I use have some kind of tube (I have found a limit though), but wouldn't you want to keep it as quiet possible?

It may just add tube flavor for guys that don't have a tube stage else where in their chain

^Exactly this. I won't be adding filters or tone shaping, the goal 100% is to "tubify" the tone of a solid-state pedal or digital effect.
 
So short answer (not something I do often, I like talking about pedals :p): it will be my own direction. Long answer: I'm not looking to clone the Noble. It is a really nice preamp and I like what he did with it, but there's no reason I can't create something just as good without copying Noble.

Also, because variety is the spice of life, I plan on doing a couple different DI designs. I'll have at least one that's just a single tube, and the goal will be to make an exceptional sounding tube DI as compact and affordable as possible. I love the Noble, and there are a number of excellent tube DI's out there, but they are expensive. Tube DI shouldn't just be a thing reserved for professionals, doctors, and lawyers. Now I wouldn't be able to sell it for $100 as I would lose money on it (good DI transformers are expensive), but I expect to be able to get a simple tube DI for around $200.

I'm also planning to do a more complicated version with multiple tubes and more controls, and that will be my "Noble competitor," but that will still be a lot less than the Noble.

I will go on record as saying I don't think the Noble is overrated or overpriced. I believe I talked about this before. Noble uses excellent quality components, everything is meticulously built by hand by someone that obviously has skill and experience. The workmanship is exceptional, and I think between the quality of the design, the quality of the parts, and the quality of the workmanship, Noble preamps have a fair pricetag.

So how can I do things so much cheaper? I'm also a one-man "boutique" shop, but my goal has always been to be "budget boutique." That's why I use circuit boards instead of turretboards or point-to-point wiring, that's why I use SMD components instead of more 'mojo' components and solder them en masse in a reflow oven instead of soldering every component by hand, that's why I design things above all to be easy and fast to assemble. I've seen some pedal circuit boards that look like works of art, whereas mine are more utilitarian. I appreciate everything else, but my goal is to get a great circuit and build it with great components, but to make it cheap.

As for original designs vs clones, I like to think of it like a band. I watched a documentary years ago about Van Halen, and I recall they largely started doing covers, then they would slip originals here and there into their set, and start to phase covers out and originals in, until they were no longer doing covers. You get people to listen to your originals by first doing a good job with covers.

If I started out doing original preamp designs, no one would care, I would be just another guy making just another pedal in his garage. So how do I get people's attention? For bassists I do an Alembic clone, that's what really got me in the door. Before I did Particle Accelerator nobody knew who I was. I followed that up with an Ampeg B15 (or B25, as we've discussed) preamp for good measure, to make sure I really had the bassists' attention. Now I'm trying to get guitarists' attention, so how do I do it? Not with original guitar preamp designs, but with a Mesa preamp, a JCM800 preamp, and a Kingsley clone.

If I had released the Space Heater before the Particle Accelerator, it would have gone nowhere. But because I did circuits everybody knows first and did them pretty well and at a decent price, I was able to slide in an original design at a decent price and now people really like it (which still puts a smile on my face every time I hear someone talk about it).

I don't think I'll ever stop doing versions of classic circuits; if someone likes something, it's because it sounds good, and it makes sense for me to make things that sound good. But as time goes on and I get more of this "business" thing figured out I want to start bringing in more and more original designs. I don't need to be the Van Halen of the pedal world, but I feel a lot more proud of a successful pedal when I know that it came straight from my brain, not someone else's.

Man, I talk a lot :p
The noble is a cool design but I feel it has some obvious short comings atleast for my needs any way the non isolated power makes it a non usable feature for me and the lack of a mid control or boost/ overdrive. Granted my needs aren't probably what they are shooting for with their design but I can't help but think adding those features would make it a even more popular option.
 
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So, hypothetically, could I run something like a tube screamer in the loop and drive the tube hard?
I don't see why not I used to use a hex black finger and a mesa subway di boosted with a tube screamer and it worked pretty awesome granted my deep dish and meatsmoke pre are on a different level but that's another level
 
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The SH is an awesome tube gain stage but without a tone stack it doesn't really interest me at this time.

It interests me exactly for this reason (I try to avoid having too many tone stacks in my signal chain).

If it was used as the platform for a tube DI that would change matters completely.

That would interest me too...
 
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It interests me exactly for this reason (I try to avoid having too many tone stacks in my signal chain).
I'm in the same place with gain stages. I'm currently combining a Particle Accelerator with a Southampton Ictineo and an LBA 2020 in my recording chain and am very pleased with the result. I've been juggling between DI selections; a vintage Dietz passive with a Jensen transformer, Countryman Type 85 or Rupert Never RNDI. Each has a different character. A Space Heater / LBA DI would be a tasty addition.
 
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Honestly, out of all the preamps you make, only having the samples on your homepage to judge from, to me the Space Heater is the best sounding one.

Now I don't know enough about electronics to say if that is due to it being an original design or it is because adding a tone stack to a circuit somehow affects the sound of a pedal, even when set flat, but I do know that I like the tone of the Space Heater in the audio samples you provided, and that I would like to see the Space Heater with an added EQ section consisting of something like resonance HP and LP filter (if that is the correct term, similar to that of a Wal preamp) and then a sweepable mids control.

I would quite possibly be interested in buying such a pedal, despite having to pay import fees living in Europe, but I do realize you can't base a business on the odd preferences of 1 random guy who might buy 1 of your pedals if you did.
 
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Well put Senor and an easily justifiable viewpoint too . As per the high end Nobleish pre - I would hope it could be a limited special edition run with the best materials and wiring scheme you can come up with . It could then be a flagship model for the Sushi brand . There’s no reason not to shoot for the stars at least once ! .... Kelly
 
^Exactly this. I won't be adding filters or tone shaping, the goal 100% is to "tubify" the tone of a solid-state pedal or digital effect.
Right, so essentially its the same as adding a space heater before, or after, the SS/digi pedal in question? It will effect everything post the same. You just want to be able to switch it on/off? I dont know how many pedals I have in line but Ive had the best luck adding tube gains at the very end, unfortunately they exploit noise from others worse, at least high gain compared to something like a jfet.

Will be interesting
 
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So, hypothetically, could I run something like a tube screamer in the loop and drive the tube hard?
Yup, absolutely. I'll need to decide how much gain I want to give the tube stages, I don't want to have to strangle the signal to get unity because I'm sure people will want unity or close to it with something like this, but either way you could absolutely overdrive it with a drive or boost.

Right, so essentially its the same as adding a space heater before, or after, the SS/digi pedal in question? It will effect everything post the same. You just want to be able to switch it on/off? I dont know how many pedals I have in line but Ive had the best luck adding tube gains at the very end, unfortunately they exploit noise from others worse, at least high gain compared to something like a jfet.

Will be interesting
It's essentially the same as adding a Space Heater before AND after the SS/digital pedal in question. Or more accurately half of a Space Heater before and half of a Space Heater after. It won't be useful to everyone, but if I had a dollar for every email or message I've gotten about "what's the best way to add tube sound to my solid-state/digital rig?" then it would cover the cost of the first prototype. Obviously I'm an outlier, pretty much everything I use already has a tube in it, but things like digital modelers (I get questions specifically about the HX Stomp at least once a week) have become so common that I think a lot of people will get good use out of it.

The email I received that reminded me of the project was asking how to make a Neo Ventilator sound more like a real Leslie cabinet, and in typing out the reply I realized a tube stage before and a tube stage after would be the ideal way to add "tubeness". This isn't a one-size-fits-all box though, I'm not saying everyone needs this for every solid-state pedal in their chain, but depending on the sound you're trying to get, this could be a very neat tool.
 
Always relevant.

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EDIT: just looked at those settings, too loud, my fingers slipped. Very loud pedal!
 
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So I just remembered that before I wrote my manifesto on tube DIs and life in general I was actually just planning to come on and post a progress pic of the special edition Underground Accelerators. I have 6 completely done and ready to go, 1 completely done but needs some troubleshooting (it works but is quieter than it should be) and 3 still need final assemble and testing. I should be able to finish all of them tonight and get them in the mail tomorrow.

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I didn’t know you wrote a manifesto! Too much time in a basement, working with hand tools, chemicals, switches…
Anything we should be concerned about?

Not letting your beard grow too unruly, are you?
Post #6920 on the previous page there, nothing too dramatic. I tried to answer a simple question, which naturally turned into a verbose explanation on why my pedals are cheap and why they'll always be cheap.
 
Yup, absolutely. I'll need to decide how much gain I want to give the tube stages, I don't want to have to strangle the signal to get unity because I'm sure people will want unity or close to it with something like this, but either way you could absolutely overdrive it with a drive or boost.


It's essentially the same as adding a Space Heater before AND after the SS/digital pedal in question. Or more accurately half of a Space Heater before and half of a Space Heater after. It won't be useful to everyone, but if I had a dollar for every email or message I've gotten about "what's the best way to add tube sound to my solid-state/digital rig?" then it would cover the cost of the first prototype. Obviously I'm an outlier, pretty much everything I use already has a tube in it, but things like digital modelers (I get questions specifically about the HX Stomp at least once a week) have become so common that I think a lot of people will get good use out of it.

The email I received that reminded me of the project was asking how to make a Neo Ventilator sound more like a real Leslie cabinet, and in typing out the reply I realized a tube stage before and a tube stage after would be the ideal way to add "tubeness". This isn't a one-size-fits-all box though, I'm not saying everyone needs this for every solid-state pedal in their chain, but depending on the sound you're trying to get, this could be a very neat tool.
You're splitting the valve up? will there be pre and post adjustments?
There's an easier answer to that email, replace it with a tube rig :thumbsup:
 
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So I just remembered that before I wrote my manifesto on tube DIs and life in general I was actually just planning to come on and post a progress pic of the special edition Underground Accelerators. I have 6 completely done and ready to go, 1 completely done but needs some troubleshooting (it works but is quieter than it should be) and 3 still need final assemble and testing. I should be able to finish all of them tonight and get them in the mail tomorrow.

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Seeing these now, I'm regretting passing on the opportunity to get one. :)
 
You're splitting the valve up? will there be pre and post adjustments?
There's an easier answer to that email, replace it with a tube rig :thumbsup:
Yup, I don't have a schematic drawn up yet but I threw together this block diagram for what I have in mind.

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Seeing these now, I'm regretting passing on the opportunity to get one. :)
Same, I didn't realize I would want one :P I would have ordered more boards, but a) the whole idea of special edition needs to feel exclusive, it wouldn't feel very special if I made 200 of them, and b) they take so freaking long to build :P
 

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