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The Sushi Box FX Secret Society

Wow

I guess threatening seller’s is cheaper and easier then hiring a lawyer to write a cease and desist letter to the builder.

The pedal world is saturated and everything that’s not digital eventually gets cloned. Or something else like it comes along.

That’s why you have to keep innovating your designs or someone else will.

I can totally understand the point of view from night owl but this is pretty bad pr.

Why wouldn’t he just have a chat with Nathan? Unless he is getting that cease and desist letter ready.


Weird.
Cease and Desist letter for a product that's already no longer in production... Easy win. lol
 
Wow

I guess threatening seller’s is cheaper and easier then hiring a lawyer to write a cease and desist letter to the builder.

The pedal world is saturated and everything that’s not digital eventually gets cloned. Or something else like it comes along.

That’s why you have to keep innovating your designs or someone else will.

I can totally understand the point of view from night owl but this is pretty bad pr.

Why wouldn’t he just have a chat with Nathan? Unless he is getting that cease and desist letter ready.


Weird.
It would be a stretch, if possible at all. He's desperate, the model in question doesn't even exist anymore so he can't legitimately go after him, so he attempts to stop what's left. All I know is the WH sells faster than the Owls these days in the classifieds, that has to translate to new sales as well. Not the brightest move for sure, people that didn't know about the westinghouse sure will now, and not because of Nathan lol. Nathan has done everything correct, since the issue has come up at least (you won't see many builders, of anything for that matter, offer a 100% credit for returning a product, just to save face) -
 
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It would be a stretch, if possible at all. He's desperate, the model in question doesn't even exist anymore so he can't legitimately go after him, so he attempts to stop what's left. All I know is the WH sells faster than the Owls these days in the classifieds, that has to translate to new sales as well. Not the brightest move for sure, people that didn't know about the westinghouse sure will now, and not because of Nathan lol. Nathan has done everything correct, since the issue has come up at least (you won't see many builders, of anything for that matter, offer a 100% credit for returning a product, just to save face) -

100% - Nathan has been stellar about all this and in my comms with him. That's why I keep buying his pedals :-) Look forward to using my credit towards something new.
 
I can't see much of an excuse for the way Night Owl handled this incident and apparently other similar ones but there is something easy to understand here about why it happened . The "Edison " put him on the map and he is not a prolific builder of pedal types at all - unlike the Senor who creates new and varied models with amazing frequency . He's trying to protect his baby and in essence his retail space . Nathan had the grace to handle this whole incident exceedingly well by ending production of his version and also offering to buy them back from customers . I believe we all here have a pretty fair assessment of the way Nathan does his business and a simple note early on from Night Owl could have defused this properly . Maybe he wasn't aware of the Westinghouse until recently but that's about the best excuse I can come up with for how Night Owl handled this .
One can only hope that this is a one off event and not a harbinger of issues to come for all concerned .... Kelly
 
The timing of all this is impeccable. I was about to create a F/S thread. Kind of inclined to do it anyway now tbh.
I think you should do your ad . I can't see any reason to be worried beyond Night Owl Industries perhaps black listing you from buying their stuff if he really is unhinged about all this . Hopefully he'll calm down and do himself a favor by backing off the silly threats - spend more time developing different pedals and patenting them if he's so concerned about other folks variations .... Kelly
 
  1. I will be ordering a Fluffy Kitten.
  2. That is a nice guitar.
  3. 4AM?! I hope you have the day off work today!
1. I support this decision
2. Thanks, I 100% agree
3. Yup, I work 9 hour days at my day job so I get every other Friday off

Why wouldn’t he just have a chat with Nathan? Unless he is getting that cease and desist letter ready.
So apparently something has been weird with the website's messaging system, I haven't been getting emails when messages are sent through the website, @Sonicblaze and I are looking into it. Apparently he sent two messages, 20 minutes apart, which I will not share here due to language, but he asked that I stop using his brand and pedal name on my website, which I already did yesterday. He has a valid point, but I definitely don't like the way he's going about it.

That’s a gorgeous T you’ve got. Enjoy playing it. I like the binding stripe. What kind of buckers are in it?
Thanks :) according to Tennessee Electric they're "a signature pickup that we had wound for us using A5 magnets and wound to be fairly hot." I really dig the sound.

but if you have future plans with Nathan take him up on his offer credit offer, I'm sure he can recycle a bit.
That was the plan, there's a handful of components in each tube pedal (not to mention the tube itself) that can be recycled, the enclosures I could either sand down and house Space Heaters in or use to make some industrial modern art.

Oh, or I could design a new pedal with the same form factor as WH and swap guts in, that could be kind of neat.
 
It's Christmas! Got a couple boards in that I've been waiting for, probably not super interesting to anyone here though. Big one on top is going to be my tube driven spring reverb, the two smaller black ones are a turret version of Black Eye, which I'll probably only build one of (for myself of course) because it will be prohibitively expensive.

The two green ones are kind of an experiment. I mentioned a while ago that I was going to have a local guy work for me doing some assembly work, but his quality of work wasn't up to par so I had to fire him. He's a really nice guy with a good work ethic, he just jeeds more practice, but I can't have him using my customer builds as practice. So I designed a few simple solid-state designs (two overdrives, a fuzz and a delay) for him to practice on so he can get experience working on stuff similar to what I would have him doing.

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I can't see any reason to be worried beyond Night Owl Industries perhaps black listing you from buying their stuff
I already had an Edison. Sounded good, looked good but I didn’t like the form factor on my board. I’m a bit ocd and will gravitate to symmetrical shapes with top jacks and knobs on the top face.
Still tempted.