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The Sushi Box FX Secret Society

So here's the $64k question: does the DW & the LR play nice together? :D

I haven't yet had the opportunity to try this combo out. :drool:
Sonically they stack well, with the exception (so far, I’m still pretty fresh with these two) of when the DW has the gain cranked, and I hit the input hard with a hot LR. It can do that overly compressed thing. BUT THATS NOT WHAT I CAME HERE TO POST. I’ve made a very interesting and gloriously useful discovery. I was getting that pesky PSU whine with both on the board. Went away when either one was unplugged. Then I had the inspiration to try a Buffer Buster after the LR, and great gotchama if the whine didn’t just disappear. It’s a miracle I tell ya, a miracle!

after LR, before DW.

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I’ve made a very interesting and gloriously useful discovery. I was getting that pesky PSU whine with both on the board. Went away when either one was unplugged. Then I had the inspiration to try a Buffer Buster after the LR, and great gotchama if the whine didn’t just disappear. It’s a miracle I tell ya, a miracle!

after LR, before DW.

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Good to know.

If I have time, I'll do some 'perimenting tomorrow with a Broughton BBA between DW & LS.

If that doesn't pan out, maybe something like this will: Happy Valley Analog Passive Pickup Simulator | Reverb
 
I've had mixed success with buffers removing the whine.

My Polytune with buffered bypass? Does nothing.

A dedicated buffer (Rattlesnake is what I have now) does fine. I like it as it has an on/off switch, so I can hear it working very easily.

Cheapest dedicated buffer I'm aware of is Mosky if anyone wants to try one, I haven't yet: https://a.co/6fkEMei
(You can find that under other brands/names/questional websites maybe a bit cheaper too)
 
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+1. I don't have a Smoke Signal, but the cab sim market has changed drastically since the original Meatsmoke preamp circuit was developed. Losing the recording output wouldn't be a deal breaker for me, if it means cleaning up a source of potential (or actual) noise.
I think impulses sound much better then stock cab sims in general so I'd vote take it out especially if it helps clean up the noise floor Abit
 
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I dont even have my finally yet but im shopping for a NOS tube lol...I got offered a grey plate 62' 5751 GE five star for $50 ..Is that gonna be a good choice for the finally HW?

Differences between tubes of the same type (eg 12ax7) will almost always be VERY subtle, and there's no way to know how a specific tube will behave in a specific pedal without trying it. I'd want to start out with a new, relatively inexpensive tube as a standard to which others will be compared. I would not even consider tube rolling if cash was tight (way too little benefit, if any, per dollar, to my ears) although it can be fun if the dead presidents spent on a few varied tubes won't be missed.
 
I dont even have my finally yet but im shopping for a NOS tube lol...I got offered a grey plate 62' 5751 GE five star for $50 ..Is that gonna be a good choice for the finally HW?

If it is worth it to you sure but you are not going to really hear $50 worth of improvement. IMHO in a band mix it will not be something mere mortals will be able to hear, or to be honest most folks in a casual situation. Placed in a critical listening situation, educated ear and reference equipment there will be some minor differences, whether that is "better" is really up to personal opinion. Improvements are cumulative just as detrimental factors so this minor difference can contribute.

What do I mean, let us examine two examples. In one we have a perfectly set up bass in the hands of a seasoned player connected by a premium cable to a Sushi Box Finally into a Neumann KH420 Studio Monitor set up on a stand 12 feet in front of your listening position at the proper height in a sonically perfect room. In the other we have a intermediate player with a Squier bass using a $4 cable connected to a Fender Rumble 40 on the floor by the bed for reference. Are we making a fair comparison?

NOS tubes have their place in studio gear and amps but for live equipment current technology will suffice IMHO.
 
I dont even have my finally yet but im shopping for a NOS tube lol...I got offered a grey plate 62' 5751 GE five star for $50 ..Is that gonna be a good choice for the finally HW?
In my own anecdotal testing with my Finally, a 5751 gave a pretty optimal balance of headroom vs compression for use with bass and distorted guitar. Your mileage may vary depending on your equipment and sonic preferences. (For example, if I was going to use my Finally only with bass, my preferences and ear would probably have me using the slightly smoother and lower-gain 12AY7)
As for that specific GE tube, as long it tests strong and doesn't have any microphonics it would probably be a good example of a good 5751.

EDIT: As for a value assessment, a new production 5751 runs $20-30. Sound is way too nuanced to be reduced to a one dimensional Better<--->Worse comparison. From an accounting perspective it is mathematically impossible for a vintage GE to sound "twice as good" as a modern one to "justify" a $50 price tag... at most it may sound slightly different.
In critical listening tests compared to another 5751, maybe the bass will be slightly more controlled, or maybe it'll be a little looser. Maybe the top end will be a bit more focused, maybe it'll have a slight open airiness. One might distort at 2:00 on the Gain dial, another at 3:00. All of those things are just different enough to create a rabbit hole that becomes its own weird little hobby for "audiophiles".
There's nothing wrong with spending an extra $20-30 on a vintage tube; just be conscious that its sound reproduction won't be better, just slightly different... and in real-world music performance situations, not even audible.
 
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For your viewing and listening edutainment. 18 glorious minutes of my SMD Smoke Signal and Hand Wired Dr. Wattson.



That was great! Made me realize two things.
1. The Smoke Signal and DW both have a nice range of tones.

2. That Smoke Signal would be an awesome preamp with two inputs and a sum switch. That way you could either have two basses with separate settings, or one bass with two settings that could also be summed and used in current state.
 
Hey everyone, I apologize for disappearing this last weekend, my wife was out of town so I was playing single-dad for a few days. Also I managed to slice open both my left index finger and right thumb, so typing is more annoying than usual, so that's impacted things as well.

I haven't opened August ordering yet, but I will be doing that today. I've decided to go back to JJ/Tesla tubes as my supplier has them consistently in stock again, so that will be the tube option for August. I have a meeting for my day job in 15 minutes, then I plan to work on opening August batch. I'll let everyone know when it's open.

Also I have to apologize for the handful of people that send me emails or PMs on here that I haven't replied to yet, I'm working through that right now and will respond to everyone today.