The Sushi Box FX Secret Society

[smeet]

@smeet that pretty much describes the UA.

Although my experience is limited to the Space Heater and the UA... I feel like the UA is a great all rounder and does so many things so well with the tone stack it's got. I'm sure others that own every Sushi Box pedal made will chime in soon, but I think the reason I don't own other pedals is because that UA is just solid in every way.

Cool! If it makes a difference, I'm looking for something that can get a nice saturated feel without being obviously distorted.

So a couple of people have mentioned liking the tone stack on the UA. I hear the pedal is modeled after a Fender sound. Does that mean it has a Fender tone stack? I do want something that is "flat-ish" with the eq at noon, and the ability to either cut or boost mids (as well as bass and treble). The 2/10/2 flat setting just won't work for what I want.

 

[bassbrad]

Cool! If it makes a difference, I'm looking for something that can get a nice saturated feel without being obviously distorted.

So a couple of people have mentioned liking the tone stack on the UA. I hear the pedal is modeled after a Fender sound. Does that mean it has a Fender tone stack? I do want something that is "flat-ish" with the eq at noon, and the ability to either cut or boost mids (as well as bass and treble). The 2/10/2 flat setting just won't work for what I want.

Then you should be patient as there is a pedal in the works that will have an active tone section that @Sushi Box FX has been developing with @TonyP-. Plans are to release at NAMM and production soon after.

 

[CochinoBass]

The 2/10/2 flat setting just won't work for what I want.

The UA wont work for you then, in has the Fender tone stack, but as was already mentioned, the new pedal might.

 

[HueyFreeman]

I'm looking for something that can get a nice saturated feel without being obviously distorted.

Space Heater with AT7 or AU7 tube will do this.

 

[bassbrad]

I have some new feedback about the MORE. I had a client over today to record some bass tracks and he was messing with my recording chain, we had decided to use my bass into Southamton Ictineo into MORE into Finally into Zoom GCE3 to Cubase . When he switched off the MORE we both had the impression that the bass went flat almost as if it went out of tune but wasn't. We tried that experiment a couple of times during the session and each time it was the same sonic result. I should add that the basses used were my Peavey Unity LTD P-bass pickup, Squier VMFJ and Ibanez UB804.

 

[CochinoBass]

Might be nice to have a "Finally" version of the More with a DI...

 

[bassbrad]

Might be nice to have a "Finally" version of the More with a DI...

A More DI does sound sweet, but then everyone will want to add this/that and every other doojimmywhatsawhammyfad thingamajig

I know everyone wants a perfect 'swiss army does everything' in one box but I like being able to mix and match for the flexibility and fun of experimenting. Having 'that one sound' only just ain't happening. I record in many styles, with different basses and even gasp other instruments. That is why I have several preamps and DI boxes and all those other nifty noise boxes.

 

[XLunacy]

A More DI does sound sweet, but then everyone will want to add this/that and every other doojimmywhatsawhammyfad thingamajig

I know everyone wants a perfect 'swiss army does everything' in one box but I like being able to mix and match for the flexibility and fun of experimenting. Having 'that one sound' only just ain't happening. I record in many styles, with different basses and even gasp other instruments. That is why I have several preamps and DI boxes and all those other nifty noise boxes.

I agree with this. I think one of the reasons we like pedals is because they allow for a modular signal chain

 

[PotsdamBass8]

Alright, so I had some more time to fiddle with the Slampegg and figured I’d write a little bit. Nothing revolutionary here, but it’s so hard to tell what something will sound/feel like without physically trying it. Maybe my prose will help someone else, maybe you’ve heard all of this before! Sorry this will be so lengthy.

So I previously had a Fender Bassman 500, then a Bergantino B Amp, and now a Mesa D800. The Bassman had a really nice rich, heavy, complex mid sound with the Fender tone stack, and I really loved how it would get gradually more saturated in the mids as you turned up the gain, but didn’t really turn buzzy/fuzzy/farty. The B Amp was amazingly versatile, but I could just never get the low end slam I got from the Fender, and the overdrives, while sounding really good, never sounded as good as the Fender. It was always either too thin with the blend all the way, or when mixed with a clean signal, sounded more like an effect where it’s sitting on top of the clean sound. The D800 gives me that low end weight/slam, and I’ve been happy with it. However, that elusive sound…

I’ve played a bunch of different amps in stores and back lines over the years, and there are basically 4 that have stuck out to me as having a distinct sound like what I was describing. They all also happened to have a tube preamp section. So initially I wanted to try a UA to see if I could get that sound from a pedal. Also, 2/4 amps that had that sound were also passive tone stacks, so I figured that might be it (in hindsight, I almost always used my Fender at about 2-10-2, so not sure how much the tone stack was contributing). I saw a Slampegg show up used, and I figured that would be a good starting point since I could always flip it if I wanted to try a UA.

Guess what?

It has THAT sound, that quality that I heard and felt only a few times. It doesn’t lose low end, but more importantly, it doesn’t have to add it back in through a clean blend. It sounds like my bass, just more organically saturated. I’m not one to say you NEED tubes for certain sounds *ducks*, but I will say that I have yet to find this same quality without a tube. This is all very unscientific, but I won’t ignore a pattern.

Sidebar: I also bought a 12AU7 to try out, because I prefer lower gain sounds and not all out breakup. I had watched the YouTube clip where someone compared a space heater with 12ax7, 12at7, and 12au7 tubes. I liked more of the sounds that the U had from that clip, but when trying them myself, I felt like the X had a better sweet spot, even if it’s not as wide. This could be because my bass has fairly low output. I guess I’ll see if I can return the U.

Side-Sidebar: the 4 amps that had those qualities were the Fender (I got rid of it because it was too big, and I didn’t feel like I could get the clarity I sometimes needed), the Markbass Randy Jackson, an Ampeg V4B, and an Aguilar I played long long ago in a music store before they had released the TH.

 

[CochinoBass]

A More DI does sound sweet, but then everyone will want to add this/that and every other doojimmywhatsawhammyfad thingamajig

I know everyone wants a perfect 'swiss army does everything' in one box but I like being able to mix and match for the flexibility and fun of experimenting. Having 'that one sound' only just ain't happening. I record in many styles, with different basses and even gasp other instruments. That is why I have several preamps and DI boxes and all those other nifty noise boxes.

I know. I'm just dreaming...

But I do think the More would be an excellent candidate for another DI alternative to the Finally. For example, I have a UA and IF there was a More DI I would get that instead of a Finally because it would be giving me something different than the UA, instead of more of the same, not that more of the same is bad...just saying.

 

[BassSuckZone]

I know. I'm just dreaming...

But I do think the More would be an excellent candidate for another DI alternative to the Finally. For example, I have a UA and IF there was a More DI I would get that instead of a Finally because it would be giving me something different than the UA, instead of more of the same, not that more of the same is bad...just saying.

I was thinking something along the lines of this… Since the More currently uses 2 tubes, with each tube using both sides, both running parallel, (essentially 4 tube signal paths), and it fits in the small box that it currently comes in… then, how about a larger box, “MOAR”, like the size of smoke signal/dream catcher, and it could have 4 tubes, all running in parallel, as 8 tube signal paths, and, if space allowing, hand wired! Would that be too much of a good thing?? I don’t know, but it really makes me want find out how this would sound. Maybe @Sushi Box FX could give some insight or thoughts on this?
Plus… just think of how big of knob you could put on that sucker!

 

[Sushi Box FX]

I was thinking something along the lines of this… Since the More currently uses 2 tubes, with each tube using both sides, both running parallel, (essentially 4 tube signal paths), and it fits in the small box that it currently comes in… then, how about a larger box, “MOAR”, like the size of smoke signal/dream catcher, and it could have 4 tubes, all running in parallel, as 8 tube signal paths, and, if space allowing, hand wired! Would that be too much of a good thing?? I don’t know, but it really makes me want find out how this would sound. Maybe @Sushi Box FX could give some insight or thoughts on this?
Plus… just think of how big of knob you could put on that sucker!

I've been sitting here for a minute trying to think about why that wouldn't work, and I'm coming up empty. More is based on Deep Dish, which is based on the Effectrode LA-1A. If you have an LA-1A and set all compression controls to minimum, you effectively have a More with another tube in parallel with the first one, so MOAR would just be like adding another tube to an LA-1A to run in parallel with the output buffer stage.

I have a lot on my plate (as usual), but that would not be hard to design, and I'm really curious how it would sound. Also what if you left the output buffer as a single tube but had the input section as 6 parallel triodes? What would that sound like?

Anyway. I should get back to the workbench.

 

[schaechtele]

Hi there, maybe some can quickly help me what I'm not getting:

I have a Cioks DC7 and am running my HW UA with 12V. With this voltage settings it seems to be running fine. When switching the output to 9V however, there seems to be no output at all. Only if I'm turning Master and Gain to full, I can hear a whisper of a sound coming.

Is there maybe an explanation to it?

 

[XLunacy]

Hi there, maybe some can quickly help me what I'm not getting:

I have a Cioks DC7 and am running my HW UA with 12V. With this voltage settings it seems to be running fine. When switching the output to 9V however, there seems to be no output at all. Only if I'm turning Master and Gain to full, I can hear a whisper of a sound coming.

Is there maybe an explanation to it?

Make sure the pedal has been running for long enough for the tube to warm up before using it. A few minutes should be enough

 

[SemiDriven]

I've been sitting here for a minute trying to think about why that wouldn't work, and I'm coming up empty. More is based on Deep Dish, which is based on the Effectrode LA-1A. If you have an LA-1A and set all compression controls to minimum, you effectively have a More with another tube in parallel with the first one, so MOAR would just be like adding another tube to an LA-1A to run in parallel with the output buffer stage.

I have a lot on my plate (as usual), but that would not be hard to design, and I'm really curious how it would sound. Also what if you left the output buffer as a single tube but had the input section as 6 parallel triodes? What would that sound like?

Anyway. I should get back to the workbench.

Hmmm....

So if I combine my LA-1A with my More, I'd get...well...MORE?

I think I've got some 'xperimenting to do later.

 

[schaechtele]

Make sure the pedal has been running for long enough for the tube to warm up before using it. A few minutes should be enough

Thanks for the hint, but still the same. Also I would think that when the tube is heated up with 12V connected, I disengage the UA, then switch to 9V it would also work. But still nothing happening when 9V connected.

 

[SoulReflection]

Thanks for the hint, but still the same. Also I would think that when the tube is heated up with 12V connected, I disengage the UA, then switch to 9V it would also work. But still nothing happening when 9V connected.

Is the 9v side working? Have you tested the output?

 

[TonyP-]

Cool! If it makes a difference, I'm looking for something that can get a nice saturated feel without being obviously distorted.

So a couple of people have mentioned liking the tone stack on the UA. I hear the pedal is modeled after a Fender sound. Does that mean it has a Fender tone stack? I do want something that is "flat-ish" with the eq at noon, and the ability to either cut or boost mids (as well as bass and treble). The 2/10/2 flat setting just won't work for what I want.

Hi @smeet
So to be honest you just described a couple of aspects of the upcoming Venus X.
Its an active 4 band eq but also had a “lowend bump switch” and it’s tube saturated without necessary distortion but saturation (even in excess, depending on how much you want).

This sounds right for you.

 

[schaechtele]

Is the 9v side working? Have you tested the output?

Yes, I've also tested the output. Also tried with another dedicated 9V power supply.

 

[SemiDriven]

Well I got sidetracked from combining an LA-1A and More.

I don't know how or why. But I do know (and like) more!