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The Sushi Box FX Secret Society
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I tried looking through the thread but I'm just going to ask. When I plug two sushibox pedals together, I get a high-pitched whine, separately they work and sound great, but together is a different story. Is this a flaw? Something that happens to other sushibox pedal owners? Something that needs to be fixed. Also, when I take the More out of the chain but leave it plugged into power, the whine persists. So, it's got something to do with the power and not the signal chain? I'm using a One Spot daisy chain 9vdc to power 4 pedals. Alright, thanks.
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You need the polarity fix:
#14111 - That is the post # for the document in this thread.
Attached is my board from that session. Lots of extras that weren't used for this session.
Basically had Compressor > Lil Fella set at mild gain > Dr. Wattson (Gain 9pm / Level 12pm / Bass 12pm / Mid 4pm / Treble 9pm) > Spectra Drive for tone shaping.
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Ok, that's cool, thanks for the link. Not too excited about having to do this myself but I'll give it a shot. Just my luck, I'll fry the pedal.
@Sushi Box FX will do the fix no charge, you just have to pay shipping (cheaper than buggering a pedal) and be a little patient. I have several that need the mod myself but my soldering is less that perfected these days so will likely do this soon.Ok, that's cool, thanks for the link. Not too excited about having to do this myself but I'll give it a shot. Just my luck, I'll fry the pedal.
^^^^^^speaking of More.....has any one tried a 12ax7 in V2? The Sushi Master said a 12ax7 in V1 will boost gain on tap to over 30dB and remain clean, but I'm wunnerin' what a 12ax7 in V2 produces........and I haven't made the time to do my own field research into this yet.....
12AX7 in V2 won't produce as big of a difference as it does in V1. The output impedance will be a little higher, and the gain will actually be a little lower, backwards of what you would expect. A cathode follower with a 12AT7 (stock V2 in More) has a gain of -0.18dB, a cathode follower with a 12AX7 has a gain of -0.20dB.
Potentially. I did a quick A/B, but I was tired so I want to send it to an external tester for verification.
Hi all! Been lurking here, read over a couple hundred pages of this thread and think I'm ready to buy a More.
Though I'm 98% sure I'm gonna buy one anyway, I'd like to read your take on my intentions with my tone.
My goal is to dupe the following tone/saturation/response direct to a PA/DAW as I cannot have my amp/cab with me right now, though I will have my pedalboard.
Thumb BO 5 > Lomenza Hyperdrive > B3K > Faye-Sing > Submarine Designer > Mesa M9/Mesa 2x10
This is what I want to sound like, and I do, and it makes me very, very happy.
So I want to get this tone (or as close to it) as possible when going direct (no amp/cab).
I have not had any luck trying to achieve this.
(I realize I'm trying to simulate my amp/cab sound, and that this is not 100% achievable without my amp/cab of choice)
I've tried A LOT of options going direct to PA/DAW, including:
Many variations of pedal board pre-amps through JDI
DI from amp
A few different amp/cab DSPs DI's
Several analog cab sim DI's
effect board > JDI
I'm on the mailing list for the next batch of Brought RFE's and already have an HPF on the way, and am hopeful the RFE will help.
Also on the way is an Atomic Base Box. Though I have never been happy with DSP'ing amp/cab responses, I still gotta try one more time...
I refuse to replace my Submarine Designer as my pre-amp. Seriously, I wont. I've tried scores of others, so please no suggestions for any other eq'd pre-amps, I wont listen, la la la la la la la...
However, been thinking if I just slap a few tubes on my board (before or after the Sub D), I may get close enough to the M9/2x10 effect.
Of course an LPF is (maybe?) needed to simulate the freq cutoff (@ 4kH) of the 2x10 cab.
So, I'm thinking a More is the answer.
Keep in mind, I cannot have my amp/cab with me, just my pedal board and JDI.
My signal chain would maybe then be:
Thumb BO 5 > HPF > Lomenza Hyperdrive > B3K > Faye-Sing > Submarine Designer > More > LPF > PA/DAW
Thoughts?
Though I'm 98% sure I'm gonna buy one anyway, I'd like to read your take on my intentions with my tone.
My goal is to dupe the following tone/saturation/response direct to a PA/DAW as I cannot have my amp/cab with me right now, though I will have my pedalboard.
Thumb BO 5 > Lomenza Hyperdrive > B3K > Faye-Sing > Submarine Designer > Mesa M9/Mesa 2x10
This is what I want to sound like, and I do, and it makes me very, very happy.
So I want to get this tone (or as close to it) as possible when going direct (no amp/cab).
I have not had any luck trying to achieve this.
(I realize I'm trying to simulate my amp/cab sound, and that this is not 100% achievable without my amp/cab of choice)
I've tried A LOT of options going direct to PA/DAW, including:
Many variations of pedal board pre-amps through JDI
DI from amp
A few different amp/cab DSPs DI's
Several analog cab sim DI's
effect board > JDI
I'm on the mailing list for the next batch of Brought RFE's and already have an HPF on the way, and am hopeful the RFE will help.
Also on the way is an Atomic Base Box. Though I have never been happy with DSP'ing amp/cab responses, I still gotta try one more time...
I refuse to replace my Submarine Designer as my pre-amp. Seriously, I wont. I've tried scores of others, so please no suggestions for any other eq'd pre-amps, I wont listen, la la la la la la la...
However, been thinking if I just slap a few tubes on my board (before or after the Sub D), I may get close enough to the M9/2x10 effect.
Of course an LPF is (maybe?) needed to simulate the freq cutoff (@ 4kH) of the 2x10 cab.
So, I'm thinking a More is the answer.
Keep in mind, I cannot have my amp/cab with me, just my pedal board and JDI.
My signal chain would maybe then be:
Thumb BO 5 > HPF > Lomenza Hyperdrive > B3K > Faye-Sing > Submarine Designer > More > LPF > PA/DAW
Thoughts?
I can only give you my incredibly biased opinion (obviously I make money when I sell things), but I think the answer to your question depends on how close is close enough. More is (again, incredibly biased) and excellent piece of equipment, and I have yet to find or even hear of a situation where it made a rig sound worse. It adds a little special sauce that can be hard to describe, but on top of the sound it has a unique feel. I think the word "amplike" gets thrown around too much in the pedal world, but obviously a couple tube stages give your signal something it can't get any other way. Ideally you would take your signal from there and run it into a nice IR or cabsim to get it the rest of the way where you need it, but again depending on how close is close enough, the LPF may be able to get you to a good spot.
So my recommendation (again, I'm biased, if you buy my pedals I make money) is to try it out and see if it gets you to a spot where it sounds close enough to be useful for you. If it doesn't get you all the way there I would at least expect it to become something you enjoy enough to keep around. It may get you 75% there, and you may decide to keep it around as you search for the missing 25%. But I would be incredibly shocked if you tried it and decided you didn't like it at all.
So my recommendation (again, I'm biased, if you buy my pedals I make money) is to try it out and see if it gets you to a spot where it sounds close enough to be useful for you. If it doesn't get you all the way there I would at least expect it to become something you enjoy enough to keep around. It may get you 75% there, and you may decide to keep it around as you search for the missing 25%. But I would be incredibly shocked if you tried it and decided you didn't like it at all.
@Vlad5 your reasoning looks sound and I can confirm that the Sub Designer (or Ictineo) into a MORE is greater than the sum and sounds delicious. Plus any of the @Sushi Box FX preamps I have paired with an Ictineo also had a much better result in tone, the Ictineo add a burnish. I have used a Particle Accelerator, Slampegg Bee and Underground Accelerator and plan to try the JC Emerald2.
^^^^I like bassbrad's description of More as the "Jenny in sequins" that provides a je ne sais quoi special aural sauce.
I like to call it my sheen machine, because it seems to add tube twinkle to my chain. It can also add a big boost if desired.
That said, "tone" is in the ears of the beholder, and only the listener can judge whether his/her tone goal has been scored.
I like to call it my sheen machine, because it seems to add tube twinkle to my chain. It can also add a big boost if desired.
That said, "tone" is in the ears of the beholder, and only the listener can judge whether his/her tone goal has been scored.
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Thanks, and SushiB, your biased opinion is very much appreciated.
Something else i'm thinking, I know overdriving tubes, tubescreamer into a tube amp for instance, makes for great harmonic breakup. So...
Would driving a high gain effect like, say, a Mountain King Megalith, or even clean boost, have a similar effect with the More? I realize the More isnt a tube amp, but I know what a Megalith does to my M9 (tube pre w/mosfet amplitude), and i like it alot.
Prob shoulda mentioned this was a goal as well. Pushing tubes into overdrive with a high gain boost or distortion. Never did this on my pedal board, wondering if its possible with the More.
btw. i am still gonna order a More, no question (5 left on the Sushi Box web page right now). Still, i value the advice here on TB, so nice to have a comunity of tone chasing enabelers to count on.
Something else i'm thinking, I know overdriving tubes, tubescreamer into a tube amp for instance, makes for great harmonic breakup. So...
Would driving a high gain effect like, say, a Mountain King Megalith, or even clean boost, have a similar effect with the More? I realize the More isnt a tube amp, but I know what a Megalith does to my M9 (tube pre w/mosfet amplitude), and i like it alot.
Prob shoulda mentioned this was a goal as well. Pushing tubes into overdrive with a high gain boost or distortion. Never did this on my pedal board, wondering if its possible with the More.
btw. i am still gonna order a More, no question (5 left on the Sushi Box web page right now). Still, i value the advice here on TB, so nice to have a comunity of tone chasing enabelers to count on.
@Vlad5 if that saturated pushed tube sound is what you desire MORE is not your droid, it is clean with a lot of headroom, it does not really get pushed, no matter what I have put into it. MORE does make everything better with a je ne sais quois. Like the Sub Designer it does not saturate + adds a special character and that is a good thing. If you are looking for that harmonic saturation then the @Sushi Box FX preamps or Finally are a better fit. The Underground Accelerator for example has a very nice harmonic saturation when pushed with a boost.
Thanks bassbrad, kinda what I suspected.
After thinking about it, pushing tubes towards overdrive is kinda redundant for me given im getting all the gain i need from 3 separate drive/distortion flavors (well 4 really, forgot to mention the Bluebeard im putting back on my board, heh).
The M9/2x10 (with the Sub Designer) is my secret sauce, so really I just need a stand in for that.
Seems like the More + cab sim/lpf combo should get me there.
Thanks again for the help! I'll of course share where I get with this in a few weeks.
Cheers.
After thinking about it, pushing tubes towards overdrive is kinda redundant for me given im getting all the gain i need from 3 separate drive/distortion flavors (well 4 really, forgot to mention the Bluebeard im putting back on my board, heh).
The M9/2x10 (with the Sub Designer) is my secret sauce, so really I just need a stand in for that.
Seems like the More + cab sim/lpf combo should get me there.
Thanks again for the help! I'll of course share where I get with this in a few weeks.
Cheers.
