The Sushi Box FX Secret Society

[J-Dub]

I use a 12AX7 in the gain position (V1) of my More. Not a huge difference in tone, but a big difference in output volume. In the buffer section it won't likely make a notable difference.

Good to know! I’m probably good on the gain level so I might just get another stock one. This pedal is such a sweet way to enhance literally any setup for any genre. Innovative and simple and worthy of way, ahem, MORE attention in the bass and guitar world.

 

[WilbursaurusRex]

Does the More impart any subtle compression? I know it doesnt overdrive. I've had the hardest time finding a simple not too feature rich comp to add just a little leveling/squeeze and was wondering if the More may help with that?

 

[J-Dub]

Does the More impart any subtle compression? I know it doesnt overdrive. I've had the hardest time finding a simple not too feature rich comp to add just a little leveling/squeeze and was wondering if the More may help with that?

It’s pretty light but I can hear just softest little squeeze. If you want compression as a tone enhancer this might do the trick. Nothing very strong though. And definitely not “leveling” compression.

 

[bassbrad]

It’s pretty light but I can hear just softest little squeeze. If you want compression as a tone enhancer this might do the trick. Nothing very strong though. And definitely not “leveling” compression.

I concur.

 

[WilbursaurusRex]

I concur.

Thanks!

 

[CH Design]

Has anyone tried 12AX7 tubes in either position in MORE? Loving mine stock but wondering if maybe a second MORE with a different tube mixture might add further detail and tonal complexity.

It would also be interesting to try running 2 More’s in parallel.

 

[SemiDriven]

How about if I ruin the party by saying I prefer my More early in the chain, before my preamp pedal, and not at the end of the chain like everybody says? It really is a great pedal, and its name makes my friends laugh.

The correct "answer" of course is to place it where it sounds the best!

Party on!

 

[kevk]

The correct "answer" of course is to place it where it sounds the best!

Party on!

Totally concur…I’ve tried all my (3) MORE’s in about every location now…prefer two (in order) up front, right after my PC-2A. My ear didn’t really like beginning or end of chain, but place ‘em where it sounds best! One thing was certain…my clean tone signal sounds better having MORE(s) in the chain.

 

[PhishPhan22]

Oh no way, my band is trying to get into Cubby Bear soon. I'll keep an eye out for you!


Yup, if anyone is considering fileting their thumb with a chop saw, I 100% do not recommend it.

we will be up there in December soemtime! announcing on fb for sure! I’ll have the sushi live man!! As you I’m sure have but in another type band setting check us out we are diff but fun. Stiky on fb.

 

[Mojo34]

A lot of seem to have two Mores on your boards. Now I have to wonder if more More is more better.

 

[jaibeau]

Does the More impart any subtle compression? I know it doesnt overdrive. I've had the hardest time finding a simple not too feature rich comp to add just a little leveling/squeeze and was wondering if the More may help with that?

The compression from my HWUA with a 12AT7 tube is the reason I ditched my Becos compIQ mini, UA has the perfect compression. I didn’t hear that in my more I had.

 

[J-Dub]

The compression from my HWUA with a 12AT7 tube is the reason I ditched my Becos compIQ mini, UA has the perfect compression. I didn’t hear that in my more I had.

Yeah I’ll second that the HWUA I had (12AX7) did have more of an audible compression than the More.

 

[havnjero]

I'm using the 6SL7 tube on this one, so unfortunately there's absolutely no way to fit it in a 125B. It will be going in a 1590BBS, which is the same length and width as a 1590BB (Dr. Wattson, JC Emerald, etc.) but as tall as a 125B (UA, Slampegg, More, etc).

On that note I revised the board layout last night and will be ordering prototype boards shortly. I was BARELY able to squeeze in the Lightning Boy D.I. output, but it's something I decided I wanted. I was originally planning to put in a 1x15" IR-based cabsim for the full fliptop-in-a-box, but it was turning into a huge pain and would have pushed the price beyond what I wanted it to be. So I instead opted for a switchable fixed HPF, like @Mayo Fan mentioned.

Also something a bit unusual for me, I took out the footswitch because there wasn't really a way for me to make it fit. So as-designed right now, my v1.1 prototype controls will be:

• Gain - obviously; 6SL7 instead of 12AX7 so it won't have as much drive as Slampegg Bee Pre, but it will be able to get some nice Ampegg-y grind
• Volume - again obvious, but trying something different on this one. The volume knob will only affect the 1/4" output, and there will be a separate internal trimpot to set the level of the XLR output. This is something I've had people ask about, independent level controls so you can turn up/down the volume to your amp without affecting the FOH level
• Bass/Treble - same James stack as used in Slampegg Bee Pre and Lab Rat. Both controls are boost/cut, both knobs at 12:00 is "flat"
• HPF (toggle) - rolls off 6dB per octave below 90Hz, similar to the Noble's rolloff switch
• Dry Pass/Pre Out (toggle) - like the switch on the Finally, gives you the option of the 1/4" output being a dry passthrough or a preamp-affected out
• Ground Lift (toggle) - grounds or decouples pin 1 of the XLR output to reduce ground loop noise on the balanced line

I'm really good at turning short answers to simple questions into TED talks, so I'll go ahead and stop there.

this is exactly what i’ve been asking for the furthermore to be. thank you!

could you fit a second tube in to really resemble a b15 circuit? different box.

 

[havnjero]

Speaking of Finally, I'm running low on circuit boards which means it's time to think about modifying it before I order more boards. I don't want to do anything major as I'm thrilled with Finally as it is and have received nothing but positive comments on it.

But there's a quick question that someone brought up in an email that got me thinking, please take a look and cast a vote: Market input for D.I. outputs

could we send our previous model finallys back in for the upgrade?

 

[bassbrad]

A lot of seem to have two Mores on your boards. Now I have to wonder if more More is more better.

Question is how sweet do you like your coffee?
I find that just the right amount of @Sushi Box FX tube goodness goes a long way and there can be too much. YMMV of course.

 

[Sushi Box FX]

could you fit a second tube in to really resemble a b15 circuit? different box.

The original B15 circuit only uses one tube for the preamp. The amp has three 6SL7 tubes because it uses one for each channel and one for phase inverter. So I'll leave it at one tube.

could we send our previous model finallys back in for the upgrade?

That would be tricky. Depending on what changes I end up deciding to go with, the layout is likely to change such that it wouldn't be a drop-in replacement, the enclosure would have to have the holes plugged and re-drilled, which is not something I plan to offer.

 

[OldShark]

If you had planned such huge post-delivery upgrades, you would not have named it "Finally" , right?

 

[bassbrad]

The original B15 circuit only uses one tube for the preamp. The amp has three 6SL7 tubes because it uses one for each channel and one for phase inverter. So I'll leave it at one tube.

The 2 channels of those Ampeg B15 amps like other 2 channel amps of that era can be linked by using a jumper cable, this results in more sonic detail as well as more saturation by driving both preamps into the rectifier and power section. This was a common hack with Fender Bassman and Marshall amps that led to multistage preamp designs like the Mesa Boogies and all those that followed.
@havnjero may be suggesting an arrangement like that, would be cool with the JC Emerald too. I often do something similar with my various SB pedals as well as amp style overdrives.

 

[macmanlou]

If you had planned such huge post-delivery upgrades, you would not have named it "Finally" , right?

How many upgrades did "WordPerfect" go through?

 

[havnjero]

The original B15 circuit only uses one tube for the preamp. The amp has three 6SL7 tubes because it uses one for each channel and one for phase inverter. So I'll leave it at one tube.

I'm aware, which is why I asked.
something even more special(er) happens when the signal goes through two tubes (pre+inverter).
if there were two tubes there could be a switch to either parallel them or serialize them to act as a typical b15 with the proper phase inverter.... which would likely be a little like a more, which is why I was asking.
(if it wasn't actually like a more perhaps it could be a switchable option).
either way the sound would never have any tube rectifier sag to it, but perhaps you could use a filament bulb in the box instead of an LED light so that there would be a little more voltage sag when driven hard...