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The Sushi Box FX Secret Society

920 pages. Amazing!! I haven't purchased an effects pedal (or played my bass full volume through an amp) in about 3 years (ever since my last band split up due to COVID) and yet here I am eagerly catching up with the latest in the thread (the only thread I follow on TalkBass). If I'm ever back in the saddle I definitely have an Underground Accelerator and a Finally on my wish list.
 
920 pages. Amazing!! I haven't purchased an effects pedal (or played my bass full volume through an amp) in about 3 years (ever since my last band split up due to COVID) and yet here I am eagerly catching up with the latest in the thread (the only thread I follow on TalkBass). If I'm ever back in the saddle I definitely have an Underground Accelerator and a Finally on my wish list.
I sold a UA earlier this year and have had the Finally for quite a while; Jake Serek posted his UA for sale on Reverb the other day and I snagged it. So glad I did; it's a killer combo, sounds incredible and I'm stoked to play it more, really can't go wrong with that combo
 
I've had the UA for a couple months now, and am loving it. It seems to sound it's best with my Epi Vintage Pro T-bird which has more of a midrangey tone to it. I find it breaks up less easily for some reason. I'm now looking for a Finally - maybe it's worth waiting for the V2, but in the meantime if anyone has a V1 they are looking to part with, I am interested!
 
I've had the UA for a couple months now, and am loving it. It seems to sound it's best with my Epi Vintage Pro T-bird which has more of a midrangey tone to it. I find it breaks up less easily for some reason. I'm now looking for a Finally - maybe it's worth waiting for the V2, but in the meantime if anyone has a V1 they are looking to part with, I am interested!
I still support people buying/selling used units as they see fit to meet needs, but the v2 circuit has been verified and I'm just working on getting enclosures in so I can start offering Finally v2 for sale. I'm targeting end of the month at latest to have the first 10 units ready to go.
 
nathan,

just getting caught up after mssv tour... your _finally_ (I'm guessing it was a v1, I know for sure it was handwired) worked most righteous all fiftyeight gigs I just did AND in the studio for the album we recorded immediately after... can you tell me the diffs it's got w/the upcoming v2? thanks so much in advance.

on bass, watt

mike watt's hoot page


I still support people buying/selling used units as they see fit to meet needs, but the v2 circuit has been verified and I'm just working on getting enclosures in so I can start offering Finally v2 for sale. I'm targeting end of the month at latest to have the first 10 units ready to go.
 
You mentioned you might be able to mod a V1 enclosure for V2, still think that'll be an option?

I still support people buying/selling used units as they see fit to meet needs, but the v2 circuit has been verified and I'm just working on getting enclosures in so I can start offering Finally v2 for sale. I'm targeting end of the month at latest to have the first 10 units ready to go.
 
You mentioned you might be able to mod a V1 enclosure for V2, still think that'll be an option?
I'll have to try it out to see if it would work. V2 needs an extra hole and slot drilled on the side for the ground lift and XLR level controls, and the XLR jack mounts internally instead of externally, so the drilling pattern is different between the two. This would also raise the issue that the labels won't match anymore, as the ground lift is moving to the side and you would have an HPF switch labeled ground lift.

But I think the biggest factor on my end is that there aren't many parts that would be salvageable between v1 and v2, so it would be a significant cost to me as I would be spending time and labor modifying an enclosure then throwing away most of the guts.

So I'm not saying no, but I have some things to consider.
 
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nathan,

just getting caught up after mssv tour... your _finally_ (I'm guessing it was a v1, I know for sure it was handwired) worked most righteous all fiftyeight gigs I just did AND in the studio for the album we recorded immediately after... can you tell me the diffs it's got w/the upcoming v2? thanks so much in advance.

on bass, watt

mike watt's hoot page
Changes to Finally between v1 and v2:
  • internally mounted XLR jack, lower profile on the side (still an Amphenol jack)
  • separate XLR level control, mounted on side by XLR jack
  • ground lift switch has moved to the side next to the XLR jack
  • separate internal trimpots for attenuating 1/4" and XLR level
  • switchable fixed-frequency HPF
  • different D.I. transformer (more on that later probably)
 
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Changes to Finally between v1 and v2:
  • internally mounted XLR jack, lower profile on the side (still an Amphenol jack)
  • separate XLR level control, mounted on side by XLR jack
  • ground lift switch has moved to the side next to the XLR jack
  • separate internal trimpots for attenuating 1/4" and XLR level
  • different D.I. transformer (more on that later probably)
?? Does it also operate at a higher voltage??

Hmmmm. I do love my v1 Finally with a Jensen JT-DB-E that is my daily driver for recording.

Sadly I have not been gigging due to health issues, but surgery on Monday may get me on the road to becoming the Slammer I once wert.
 
Does it also operate at a higher voltage??
The current v1 Finally was already operating at 350V, and the v2 will continue to operate at 350V.

The new D.I. transformer was the thing I was waiting to talk about until I had completed thorough testing. It was custom made to my spec and is a winner.
 
nathan,

what makes it "a winner" compared to what you had before?
I'm not saying LBA wasn't also a winner, there's nothing wrong with the sound I've been getting from LBA transformers. It's going to be a subtle difference over the LBA that I've been using, like the difference between Jensen and LBA was, but I like the way the frequency response came out, and I wanted a different impedance profile, it affects the feel and response a little bit. How much you actually notice it will depend on a lot of things, and in a mix it may not be noticeable, like the difference between handwired and SMD.

But a quick data point for reference, typical pedals and amps for electric bass have an input impedance of 1MΩ, whereas it's common for upright bass to see 5.6-10MΩ. Jensen's D.I. transformers have an input impedance of 140kΩ, whereas my new transformers have an input impedance of 2.2MΩ. I don't know what LBA's are, he hasn't published that data.

Does it make everything else obsolete garbage? Absolutely not. But I considered it a worthwhile endeavor, and it's something I've always wanted to have. There are some other specifications that make it easy for me to work with as a builder, and that was one of the main factors.

How about the HPF, is that another change in Finally v2?
Oh right, forgot that bit. I'll edit the post. That's important.

Does that include my Finally from the very first production run?
It does not, I guess to be completely accurate the Finally that has been sold for the past few months has actually been v1.1 which run at 350V, whereas the original v1 like yours are 235V.
 
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I have questions for those in the know...

The UA is highly rated but some are suggesting a Finally is also needed. Why?

If one is looking for a tube tone from a pedal and two are required, maybe you should be looking for a full tube amp. Cost wise you are half way there...?
 
I have questions for those in the know...

The UA is highly rated but some are suggesting a Finally is also needed. Why?

If one is looking for a tube tone from a pedal and two are required, maybe you should be looking for a full tube amp. Cost wise you are half way there...?
The only thing Finally does that UA doesn't is D.I. out, I think the majority of people using both are likely running ampless going direct to FOH.
 
So, the only difference is the DI out on the Finally? Someone who has an amp with DI out would have the same result with just the UA?
Yup, pretty much. If you're already using an amp with a UA you can get into the same ballpark with your amp's D.I. output (though depending on the amp it's most likely an op-amp based D.I. as opposed to transformer-based, we won't get into that). The only thing running the two of them together gives at that point is additional tube saturation (if you're looking for that sort of thing). But if you're gigging without an amp, it's convenient to pretend Finally is your amp and treat it as such.
 

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