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The Walking Dead Series 2

#641
I think an obvious part of the script is to make Shane and Rick polar opposites fighting to be the alpha dog. Shane was very tactical while Rick is more human. By design, neither of them were the ideal leaders for the group.

As for the relaxed atmosphere of the farm, it's remote enough that it should be as big of a deal theoretically.
 
#643
nickbass79 said:
I just wanted to quote this again.Still LMFAO!
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LOL! That fact that you're quoting it a second time and still laughing is funnier to me than the original statement!



Off topic - has anyone here seen "The Dead" yet? It's a British movie (I think) set in Africa where this guy is trying to escape a zombie apocalypse after surviving a plane crash and having to walk his way to safety..? Awesome movie IMO
 
#644
spade2you said:
What do the vegan walkers eat and do they still tell everyone about their life decision to not eat any animal products?
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I think that the vegan walkers are following their beliefs even as zombies. I thought that vegans blamed people for all of the earths problems and as zombies they are trying to eradicate people. They are doing the earth a favor and showing people what animals feel like when they are hunted or slaughtered...I'm gonna go eat a steak now....
 
#646
Actium said:
1. Chill out with spoiling comic stuff. You might think it's harmless because this is a thread about the TV series. But some of us are reading the comic too. So to come in here to discuss the TV show only to be bombarded with blatant comic spoilers that aren't even concealed is annoying.
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Fair enough, but that's pretty much like saying people shouldn't talk about the ending of a movie that came out a few years ago because you haven't seen it yet. The stuff from the comics that were "spoiled" in this thread happened a long time ago.
 
#650
nataku said:
Fair enough, but that's pretty much like saying people shouldn't talk about the ending of a movie that came out a few years ago because you haven't seen it yet. The stuff from the comics that were "spoiled" in this thread happened a long time ago.
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Lots of people are just now picking them up as the show becomes more popular.

Oh and not to mention most forums delete posts with comic spoilers in them. Or ask you to use spoiler tags (a feature not present on this forum).
 
#653
Shane did try to save him, and from the way they showed it, it was obvious he wasn't going to get Rick out of the hospital. He put him back in his bed, and did his best to secure the door. I thought that was good enough given the situation. So after leaving, he probably did assume he was dead. Don't blame him. He did develop a relationship with his wife, but under the circumstances, don't blame him for that either.

When Rick got back, he stepped out of the way completely, while Rick pretty much took over and disrespected Shane's opinion at every turn. Then Lori treats Shane poorly which only adds to his stress. It's obvious he loves her at this point, deeply. So zombies are walking around on top of all this which enough to drive anyone crazy. Shane couldn't handle all this so he starts going crazy. Can't say that can be blamed on him either by the time it kicks in. It took a long time to build up. Go back and watch the first episodes. He was very much submissive to Rick and respectful of Rick and Lori's relationship until the stress of everything started getting to him.

So this brings me back to my original argument, which is that MAYBE all this wouldn't have had to happen to Shane if Lori and Rick didn't treat him as they did. Lori should have told Rick immediately about what had happened in his absence. She should have confronted Shane over why he told her Rick was dead and let him explain himself. Rick should have not been such a pansy in waiting so long to confront Shane about would had happened with him and his wife, especially if he clearly wasn't going to hold it against him. Why be a douche and not say anything and let your supposed best friend torment himself over everything? The same goes for his wife, since Rick said he supposedly had it figured out before Lori told him. Why would he let his wife and best friend anguish in guilt when he could just say, "Hey, I understand how this could have happened. I love both of you anyway and don't harbor any ill will."

At least Shane tried to do the right thing, which was stay out of the way, let Rick and Lori become a couple again, and allow Lori to be the one to break the news. He also put down his own desire and opinions repeatedly out of respect for his friend, Rick. When did Rick ever do any of this for Shane or his own wife amd son?

Shane is the one who got screwed in all this, in a rather Shakespearean and tragic kind of way. I don't feel sorry for Rick at all. He even refused to take ownership for any of it when he killed Shane by telling him it was all on him. What an arse.
 
#654
sonic assassin said:
the front gate WAS locked. maybe they locked walkers inside the building, locked the gate and ran like hell. could have been the 2 cops. got too close, got scratched and turned lamebrain.

then they come in, look around, get in a fight, smash the window and all hell breaks loose.
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Didn't they say the cops had no marks on them. When Rick was ready to leave without Shane, he realized then, that was how they had died; Fighting each other. After all "The Walking Dead" is meant to refer to the survivors, not the zombies.
 
#656
Eublet said:
Shane did try to save him, and from the way they showed it, it was obvious he wasn't going to get Rick out of the hospital. He put him back in his bed, and did his best to secure the door. I thought that was good enough given the situation. So after leaving, he probably did assume he was dead. Don't blame him. He did develop a relationship with his wife, but under the circumstances, don't blame him for that either.

When Rick got back, he stepped out of the way completely, while Rick pretty much took over and disrespected Shane's opinion at every turn. Then Lori treats Shane poorly which only adds to his stress. It's obvious he loves her at this point, deeply. So zombies are walking around on top of all this which enough to drive anyone crazy. Shane couldn't handle all this so he starts going crazy. Can't say that can be blamed on him either by the time it kicks in. It took a long time to build up. Go back and watch the first episodes. He was very much submissive to Rick and respectful of Rick and Lori's relationship until the stress of everything started getting to him.

So this brings me back to my original argument, which is that MAYBE all this wouldn't have had to happen to Shane if Lori and Rick didn't treat him as they did. Lori should have told Rick immediately about what had happened in his absence. She should have confronted Shane over why he told her Rick was dead and let him explain himself. Rick should have not been such a pansy in waiting so long to confront Shane about would had happened with him and his wife, especially if he clearly wasn't going to hold it against him. Why be a douche and not say anything and let your supposed best friend torment himself over everything? The same goes for his wife, since Rick said he supposedly had it figured out before Lori told him. Why would he let his wife and best friend anguish in guilt when he could just say, "Hey, I understand how this could have happened. I love both of you anyway and don't harbor any ill will."

At least Shane tried to do the right thing, which was stay out of the way, let Rick and Lori become a couple again, and allow Lori to be the one to break the news. He also put down his own desire and opinions repeatedly out of respect for his friend, Rick. When did Rick ever do any of this for Shane or his own wife amd son?

Shane is the one who got screwed in all this, in a rather Shakespearean and tragic kind of way. I don't feel sorry for Rick at all. He even refused to take ownership for any of it when he killed Shane by telling him it was all on him. What an arse.
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I think you re right. The comic turned out completely differently to the series and I think people are letting it cloud the issue. Not that it really matters lol.

The comic resolved the rick/shane issue much sooner, although it shared *some* similarities. The Series really dragged it out and I think you nailed the angle the producers were going for.

Personally they have dragged some of the "morality play" out too much for me, it's like re-reading Les Miserable all over again. but the last two episodes 11 and 12 have been very close to the style of the comic. Heartfelt patching up of differences cut through with disarming, humiliating death. All these zombies have done is force the rats into the same cage. Bleak stuff indeed. That was the key to the comic's unique appeal for me anyway.
 
#657
Eublet said:
Shane did try to save him, and from the way they showed it, it was obvious he wasn't going to get Rick out of the hospital. He put him back in his bed, and did his best to secure the door. I thought that was good enough given the situation. So after leaving, he probably did assume he was dead. Don't blame him. He did develop a relationship with his wife, but under the circumstances, don't blame him for that either.

When Rick got back, he stepped out of the way completely, while Rick pretty much took over and disrespected Shane's opinion at every turn. Then Lori treats Shane poorly which only adds to his stress. It's obvious he loves her at this point, deeply. So zombies are walking around on top of all this which enough to drive anyone crazy. Shane couldn't handle all this so he starts going crazy. Can't say that can be blamed on him either by the time it kicks in. It took a long time to build up. Go back and watch the first episodes. He was very much submissive to Rick and respectful of Rick and Lori's relationship until the stress of everything started getting to him.

So this brings me back to my original argument, which is that MAYBE all this wouldn't have had to happen to Shane if Lori and Rick didn't treat him as they did. Lori should have told Rick immediately about what had happened in his absence. She should have confronted Shane over why he told her Rick was dead and let him explain himself. Rick should have not been such a pansy in waiting so long to confront Shane about would had happened with him and his wife, especially if he clearly wasn't going to hold it against him. Why be a douche and not say anything and let your supposed best friend torment himself over everything? The same goes for his wife, since Rick said he supposedly had it figured out before Lori told him. Why would he let his wife and best friend anguish in guilt when he could just say, "Hey, I understand how this could have happened. I love both of you anyway and don't harbor any ill will."

At least Shane tried to do the right thing, which was stay out of the way, let Rick and Lori become a couple again, and allow Lori to be the one to break the news. He also put down his own desire and opinions repeatedly out of respect for his friend, Rick. When did Rick ever do any of this for Shane or his own wife amd son?

Shane is the one who got screwed in all this, in a rather Shakespearean and tragic kind of way. I don't feel sorry for Rick at all. He even refused to take ownership for any of it when he killed Shane by telling him it was all on him. What an arse.
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Shane did the bare minimum in trying to get Rick out. Then he lied to Lori and used the opportunity to sleep with her and step into Rick's place. He didn't step aside at all when Rick came back. He personally went after him and his decisions at every move and made it clear to Rick that he thought he was a better leader and father than him. Time is much shorter than the show actually feels. This is all a couple of weeks in real time from the point that Rick came back to Shane's death. At no point was Shane not thinking of a way to eliminate Rick and take his place.

Rick is not the best leader in the world but Shane is about as douchy as they come. There were times when that made him more suited to make the right decision I won't debate that fact.
 
#658
Eublet said:
Shane did try to save him, and from the way they showed it, it was obvious he wasn't going to get Rick out of the hospital. He put him back in his bed, and did his best to secure the door. I thought that was good enough given the situation. So after leaving, he probably did assume he was dead. Don't blame him. He did develop a relationship with his wife, but under the circumstances, don't blame him for that either.

When Rick got back, he stepped out of the way completely, while Rick pretty much took over and disrespected Shane's opinion at every turn. Then Lori treats Shane poorly which only adds to his stress. It's obvious he loves her at this point, deeply. So zombies are walking around on top of all this which enough to drive anyone crazy. Shane couldn't handle all this so he starts going crazy. Can't say that can be blamed on him either by the time it kicks in. It took a long time to build up. Go back and watch the first episodes. He was very much submissive to Rick and respectful of Rick and Lori's relationship until the stress of everything started getting to him.

So this brings me back to my original argument, which is that MAYBE all this wouldn't have had to happen to Shane if Lori and Rick didn't treat him as they did. Lori should have told Rick immediately about what had happened in his absence. She should have confronted Shane over why he told her Rick was dead and let him explain himself. Rick should have not been such a pansy in waiting so long to confront Shane about would had happened with him and his wife, especially if he clearly wasn't going to hold it against him. Why be a douche and not say anything and let your supposed best friend torment himself over everything? The same goes for his wife, since Rick said he supposedly had it figured out before Lori told him. Why would he let his wife and best friend anguish in guilt when he could just say, "Hey, I understand how this could have happened. I love both of you anyway and don't harbor any ill will."

At least Shane tried to do the right thing, which was stay out of the way, let Rick and Lori become a couple again, and allow Lori to be the one to break the news. He also put down his own desire and opinions repeatedly out of respect for his friend, Rick. When did Rick ever do any of this for Shane or his own wife amd son?

Shane is the one who got screwed in all this, in a rather Shakespearean and tragic kind of way. I don't feel sorry for Rick at all. He even refused to take ownership for any of it when he killed Shane by telling him it was all on him. What an arse.
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I believe its called infatuation not love. When you love someone you don't pester them all the time about how you know they love you.

I thought Shane was a cool character, I very much enjoyed him becoming unhinged. However I in no way think he was a perfect guy as has been said him and Rick represent opposite ends of the spectrum. While I agree with some of Shane's decisions (for instance executing Randall after they found out about the other group) I agree with some of Rick's.

Rick isn't perfect but he wants to look after the group as a whole. Rick seems to be an idealist and wants to return to normalcy which is obviously impossible now (and from what I've heard it might be impossible to ever get there again). I dot blame him at all. If I had a kid with another on the way Id wanna do as much as I could to bring back the same conditions as the childhood I had.
 
#660
nataku said:
Shane was definitely my favorite character, and arguably the best one. Not to say that he was the best person or leader, or that killing him off wasn't right for the series, but Jon Bernthal did a tremendous job on this show.
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Can't really blame the writers because his demise was in the source material as well. If you enjoyed Jon Bernthal's performace, he was already cast in an upcoming series, L.A. Noir on TNT, headed up by Frank Darabont. Hopefully that show will get picked up.
 

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