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Theory related post from elsewhere

#21
glocke1 said:
this hurts my head.

Does it make sense to anyone?

“Quick question to affirm me also for those who study Diatonic modes? What is the perfect relationship between the perfect 4ths and the Harmonic Fifths in seems within western modes where designed to emphasize the circles of inter relativity and within each mode particularly kinda seem s like it was designed to illustrate that relationship extensively and how in all keys within these natural modes there is a direct prime like center point relation to this ,transition relation transposition alignment s in perfect order.My question is more about perfect interval s meaning those that make perfect harmonic pairs and the space between the prime it between perfect 4th and the Harmonic 5th or a perfect inversion perfect 5th between the harmonic 4th then, was it based on the theory of nine intervals within its design theory and there is a perfect 9th interval as to say at every perfect 4th and between perfect harmonic Fifths because it seems at every modes whether it is a major or minor like diatonic mode that all share still this similar symmetry .Divided and communing groups based on this measurement into by perfect intervals measurement. Diatonic natural modes were designed to be the baselines if all western musical classical formations of acoustic measurements. So the 9th interval as to say be the mystery mover to transition based in classical modes there is some kind of perfect both mathematical and progressional designed correlation to follow hence all western musical developed with such symmetry it’s a beautiful theoretical and practical application to acoustic scientific measurements the organization is designed perfectly endlessly creating applications of creativity and yet having such mediums of pliability and the foundation to intellectually covalently communicate with musical languages goodnight everyone . 9 is your first primary factorization of additions to square root the base triad harmonic chord construction also. Music is math and that is beautifully inspiring”
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#22
People shouldn't look at music theory like there's some kind of magic meaning hiding behind it.
The history and means of music theory are perfectly well known and available.
It's a toolbox that uses a lot of hacks and shortcuts to get this sense of coherence.
In other words, it's entirely human built. There is no mystique to it.
 
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#23
Jazz Ad said:
People should look at music theory like there's some kind of magic meaning hiding behind it.
The history and means of music theory are perfectly well known and available.
It's a toolbox that uses a lot of hacks and shortcuts to get this sense of coherence.
In other words, it's entirely human built. There is no mystique to it.
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Did you mean shouldn't?
 
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Jazz Ad said:
People shouldn't look at music theory like there's some kind of magic meaning hiding behind it.
The history and means of music theory are perfectly well known and available.
It's a toolbox that uses a lot of hacks and shortcuts to get this sense of coherence.
In other words, it's entirely human built. There is no mystique to it.
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frankly I think people get way too hung up on music theory in the rock world and the extensions of the rock world and it's sub genres, like the jam band scene. That wall of text in my O.P. originated from a website catering to that genre, and on a daily basis I see theory related posts that really make me scratch my head.
 
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#32
glocke1 said:
this hurts my head.

Does it make sense to anyone?

“Quick question to affirm me also for those who study Diatonic modes? What is the perfect relationship between the perfect 4ths and the Harmonic Fifths in seems within western modes where designed to emphasize the circles of inter relativity and within each mode particularly kinda seem s like it was designed to illustrate that relationship extensively and how in all keys within these natural modes there is a direct prime like center point relation to this ,transition relation transposition alignment s in perfect order.My question is more about perfect interval s meaning those that make perfect harmonic pairs and the space between the prime it between perfect 4th and the Harmonic 5th or a perfect inversion perfect 5th between the harmonic 4th then, was it based on the theory of nine intervals within its design theory and there is a perfect 9th interval as to say at every perfect 4th and between perfect harmonic Fifths because it seems at every modes whether it is a major or minor like diatonic mode that all share still this similar symmetry .Divided and communing groups based on this measurement into by perfect intervals measurement. Diatonic natural modes were designed to be the baselines if all western musical classical formations of acoustic measurements. So the 9th interval as to say be the mystery mover to transition based in classical modes there is some kind of perfect both mathematical and progressional designed correlation to follow hence all western musical developed with such symmetry it’s a beautiful theoretical and practical application to acoustic scientific measurements the organization is designed perfectly endlessly creating applications of creativity and yet having such mediums of pliability and the foundation to intellectually covalently communicate with musical languages goodnight everyone . 9 is your first primary factorization of additions to square root the base triad harmonic chord construction also. Music is math and that is beautifully inspiring”
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The only question in the "paragraph" really isn't a question, so my answer would have to be "it depends".

Quick question to affirm me also for those who study Diatonic modes?
 
#33
BassUrges said:
Thought:

He's referring to the octave as the "perfect 9th," because it's the "sum" of a 4th and a 5th. If you start at 1, go to the 4th, and then treat the 4th as 1 and go to the 5th, you will find yourself an octave above the original 1 (in equal temperament--I'm not sure he grasps the importance of temperament). It also works going to the 5th and then the 4th above that. This is definitely NOT the 9th you are familiar with from jazz chord charts.

That is the closest I can come to extracting sense from this. To answer his "question," yes, the octave is important in Western music, and indeed, many other musical traditions (as is what we call the 5th, though it doesn't always go by that name). Because the first two harmonics of a vibrating string or column of air are 1) octave and 2) octave + perfect fifth.
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So "octo" is the Latin prefix for "9th"?

And if 4th + 5th = 9th then logically 3rd + 3rd = 6th, or 2nd + 2nd = 4th?
 
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#34
glocke1 said:
this hurts my head.

Does it make sense to anyone?

“Quick question to affirm me also for those who study Diatonic modes? What is the perfect relationship between the perfect 4ths and the Harmonic Fifths in seems within western modes where designed to emphasize the circles of inter relativity and within each mode particularly kinda seem s like it was designed to illustrate that relationship extensively and how in all keys within these natural modes there is a direct prime like center point relation to this ,transition relation transposition alignment s in perfect order.My question is more about perfect interval s meaning those that make perfect harmonic pairs and the space between the prime it between perfect 4th and the Harmonic 5th or a perfect inversion perfect 5th between the harmonic 4th then, was it based on the theory of nine intervals within its design theory and there is a perfect 9th interval as to say at every perfect 4th and between perfect harmonic Fifths because it seems at every modes whether it is a major or minor like diatonic mode that all share still this similar symmetry .Divided and communing groups based on this measurement into by perfect intervals measurement. Diatonic natural modes were designed to be the baselines if all western musical classical formations of acoustic measurements. So the 9th interval as to say be the mystery mover to transition based in classical modes there is some kind of perfect both mathematical and progressional designed correlation to follow hence all western musical developed with such symmetry it’s a beautiful theoretical and practical application to acoustic scientific measurements the organization is designed perfectly endlessly creating applications of creativity and yet having such mediums of pliability and the foundation to intellectually covalently communicate with musical languages goodnight everyone . 9 is your first primary factorization of additions to square root the base triad harmonic chord construction also. Music is math and that is beautifully inspiring”
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Thanks for sharing your head ache....now where’s the Advil...

IMO the 9th interval is awkward at best to finger not to mention losing a lot of musical push. Better off using the 2nd instead.
 
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Let me share some more similar level writings of similar level "smart" music theoreticians.

From "INTERPRETIVE NOTATION:
ESTABLISHED METHODS FOR THE MODERN COMPOSER"

by Jeremiah D. Tabb 2019

"This study will present accepted methods of musical notation that require the performer
to interpret new symbols or unfamiliar arrangements of traditional European notation. Preference
will be given to techniques employed in multiple works that have become accepted by the
majority of writings on the subject, but iconic works whose techniques are less standardized will
also be mentioned. This study seeks to give composers, engravers, and other musicians a
comfortable level of understanding to properly employ and interpret new notational techniques."

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#37
glocke1 said:
this hurts my head.

Does it make sense to anyone?

“Quick question to affirm me also for those who study Diatonic modes? What is the perfect relationship between the perfect 4ths and the Harmonic Fifths in seems within western modes where designed to emphasize the circles of inter relativity and within each mode particularly kinda seem s like it was designed to illustrate that relationship extensively and how in all keys within these natural modes there is a direct prime like center point relation to this ,transition relation transposition alignment s in perfect order.My question is more about perfect interval s meaning those that make perfect harmonic pairs and the space between the prime it between perfect 4th and the Harmonic 5th or a perfect inversion perfect 5th between the harmonic 4th then, was it based on the theory of nine intervals within its design theory and there is a perfect 9th interval as to say at every perfect 4th and between perfect harmonic Fifths because it seems at every modes whether it is a major or minor like diatonic mode that all share still this similar symmetry .Divided and communing groups based on this measurement into by perfect intervals measurement. Diatonic natural modes were designed to be the baselines if all western musical classical formations of acoustic measurements. So the 9th interval as to say be the mystery mover to transition based in classical modes there is some kind of perfect both mathematical and progressional designed correlation to follow hence all western musical developed with such symmetry it’s a beautiful theoretical and practical application to acoustic scientific measurements the organization is designed perfectly endlessly creating applications of creativity and yet having such mediums of pliability and the foundation to intellectually covalently communicate with musical languages goodnight everyone . 9 is your first primary factorization of additions to square root the base triad harmonic chord construction also. Music is math and that is beautifully inspiring”
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Just ignore it. It’s people like that who write soulless music.
 

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