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Double Bass This Is Who I Am
- Thread starter iiipopes
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Yes. A little bit of (perhaps needed?) info to the peanut gallery at large:
- usually, when there is some question of "who is posting this", the intent is simply for someone to fill in their profile.
- The "me and the pedigree" comment is both snarky and true to an extent. Most people here will agree that folks like John Goldsby and Brian Bromberg, to date, are exceptions to this observation. The word "***hole" should not really be used to describe anyone here because of the forum rules. I think "snarky bastage" would suffice in its place and get the same basic message across nicely.
- Many people have bios up on their websites and/or linked homepages.
- You don't have to be a double bass master to post here. Heck, they allow me to post, don't they? And there are no special rules that apply to beginners that accomplished/proven players are exempt from. The forum rules of respect and decorum apply to all, much to the chagrin of some.
- Last, with a very busy and undermanned mod staff, the forum relies on members reporting posts that break the rules to help us keep the forum running according to them. If anyone sees a post that breaks the rules, please report it by clicking on the little icon on the post in question. Remember that moderators and admins are not at liberty to discuss actions taken against other members, but by clicking on the icon to report offending posts, you can rest assured that the post will be reviewed by the mods assigned to that forum.
Now, what were we talking about again?
Honestly, I feel like the vibe on this forum has gone to crap. I had been away from it for a while and when I started logging back on I couldn't believe how it had changed. There is definitely some new posters that are mucking up the place, but I have to say, the senior members aren't handling it with grace.
It's a shame, I used to enjoy this forum so much. I learned a lot here and now it seems pretty terrible.
It's a shame, I used to enjoy this forum so much. I learned a lot here and now it seems pretty terrible.
FTR, I was serious. I grew up watching LW at my grandparents. I'd give anything if my band could find a set of matching orange suits. Or some matching Lennon Sisters.
I bet that was a cool experience. Not sure where all the animosity is coming from. I'll wander back over to the BG side. Toodleoo.
I bet that was a cool experience. Not sure where all the animosity is coming from. I'll wander back over to the BG side. Toodleoo.
Cleanup in aisle 9.
You know, it's funny: when we moderate, we're fascist dictators; when we don't moderate enough, we're anarchist enablers.
Everybody just play nice, m'kay?
You know, it's funny: when we moderate, we're fascist dictators; when we don't moderate enough, we're anarchist enablers.
Everybody just play nice, m'kay?
No... is it much more hostile world there? A more "Metal" world, dare I say?!?!?
You are in the Double Bass forum now.
Sorry. For my gig it was traditional black tie.
You're exactly right. Everyone should know better. The tuba forum TubeNet has a better collegiality; the RIC factory forum, although highly moderated to the point of censorship, is more open and the members express more appreciation of other forum members, and Brass-Forum.co.uk is the epitomy of proper conduct of ladies and gentlemen.
That is the main reason I posted this thread as I did. Within my first four posts after signing on, when I did nothing but quote a published, and admittedly controversial line out of what is otherwise a respected musicological reference, at least a half dozen people got all over me about it, and one guy's posts even had to be deleted because they were such an unwarranted personal attack, instead of carrying on a civil discourse where reasonable persons may differ.
So, I laid it all out. Here I am. Take me or leave me. The moderators can't be kindergarten teachers or hall monitors. They have much better things to do. Every person on this forum owes a duty of respect to each other person on this forum, even if the post is off-the-wall. The First Amendment does not apply here. We post at the pleasure of the forum owner, every bit as much as if we were invited to a social gathering in his own back yard or living room, and we all better act like it.
I wondered how much trite flack I'd get after I posted. It did take a couple of days, but when it finally came, it came like a rainstorm. Thanks to those who have posted so far who have been civil. Remind me if we ever meet in person that it's my turn to purchase the next round of beverages of choice.
And now, I must extend to the forum administrators my thanks for all their assistance, my thanks to their forebearance of my consumption of bandwidth on this thread, and at their pleasure I hope to be extended the privilege of contributing positively to this forum now and in the future.
Hey man,
The DB forum can be pretty rough. I appreciate your frankness and honesty. I find it greatly disheartening to know that fellow DB players can be quite the jerks. Sometimes, reading mean old posts makes me a bit frustrated, especially since Talkbass DB side is easily one of the best sites for information. Especially for people just starting out.
I understand that our instrument is hard and takes a heck of a lot of practice. However, I do also find that a lot of people get self righteous over that. I'm guilty of it too. You know, iiipopes, God bless you man. If I ever meet you, it'll be me buying the drinks.
The DB forum can be pretty rough. I appreciate your frankness and honesty. I find it greatly disheartening to know that fellow DB players can be quite the jerks. Sometimes, reading mean old posts makes me a bit frustrated, especially since Talkbass DB side is easily one of the best sites for information. Especially for people just starting out.
I understand that our instrument is hard and takes a heck of a lot of practice. However, I do also find that a lot of people get self righteous over that. I'm guilty of it too. You know, iiipopes, God bless you man. If I ever meet you, it'll be me buying the drinks.
OK. I cop to the fact that I'm "mean".
But I challenge anyone to get as many posts deleted by DURRL than yer's truly's.
But I challenge anyone to get as many posts deleted by DURRL than yer's truly's.
I'll admit to being one of those people that finds the tone of this forum to be really off putting at times. I first found talkbass while googling a way to safely clean the pots of amplifiers. Since then I've found a lot of interesting threads and been turned on to a lot of new recordings. There's been a lot of talk about the "pros" don't post here much anymore. So what. There's plenty of people who are qualified to answer questions about string combinations, college entrance preparation, where to rent a bass in Chicago, teachers in Alabama, list their favorite albums, ask about jam session protocol, and so on. To expect more, well, maybe you should leave the house.
As an actual form of online pedagogy, it has it's inherent problems - namely that anybody can post anything. But I've noticed that there are plenty of people that will take the time write out something thoughtful and accurate. Maybe we just have to take the good with the bad and leave it at that.
As a final thought, no one reaches a level of professional accomplishment that allows them to look down on other people as people. Sure, there's plenty of people I wouldn't want to play with, but that doesn't give me the right to talk down to them. It just means we're incompatible (for the time being) in one area of life. At the end of the day, it's not really a big deal.
As an actual form of online pedagogy, it has it's inherent problems - namely that anybody can post anything. But I've noticed that there are plenty of people that will take the time write out something thoughtful and accurate. Maybe we just have to take the good with the bad and leave it at that.
As a final thought, no one reaches a level of professional accomplishment that allows them to look down on other people as people. Sure, there's plenty of people I wouldn't want to play with, but that doesn't give me the right to talk down to them. It just means we're incompatible (for the time being) in one area of life. At the end of the day, it's not really a big deal.
I think the DB side is a rougher crowd. You've got people who have played a long time butting up against people who want to know how to get a good bass for $500. It just creates a natural friction. I guess it's just part of the vibe here. I'm sure no one actually means any harm. Online forums have a life of their own. No moderator can really do much about it but try to keep people civil. I don't know, the doublebass forum could be summed up by "I gotta be me, I GOT TA be me". It's a unique bird who takes up this big wooden box.
This is just an excuse for uncivil behavior. New players SHOULD feel comfortable inquiring about $500.00 basses from experienced players, otherwise what good is their experience. I see posters trying to claim some "elderly statesmen" status but not truly living up to that mark. They're more like "bitter old men." I'm sorry this crap doesn't fly with me. I experienced too much of that in NYC and it pretty much turned me off the jazz scene, it kind of sucks.
People act in ways online that they wouldn't in person. The internet has removed the threat of a good old fashioned ass kicking. I find it sad that people need the threat of physical harm to act civil. The best part is most of the problem is caused by people who should be old enough to know better and complaining about "those darn kids."
It's a sad legacy.
It's a sad legacy.
I'd say that's true, and it goes both ways. While the "old folks" probably wouldn't say in person what they say here, I also doubt that someone with almost no experience would go to SEE a jazz show, and then get in an argument with the pro bass player about gear/basses and theory. They would probably just shut up and listen.
I agree. I find in myself the tendency to get snippy with posters that pose questions that have been asked and answered many times already and the poster obviously hasn't done any homework. And I don't usually respond in those threads if I don't have the energy to do so in a positive way.
The problem is that when you eliminate all of the topics that have already been discussed, there is little left to talk about except the atmosphere in the forum. So what if the topic of $500 basses is being discussed for the upteenth time? It's still new to the person who is asking, and thus has the potential to impart to at least one member of the community knowledge that he or she did not have before. The ridiculous bickering like we've seen in this thread and too many others doesn't benefit anyone.
My point is that for those of us that have been around here for quite a while, it gets very old and that causes grumpiness. Much of the knowledge sought is already here. Is there anything inherently good about chatter for it's own sake? How about putting out some effort with a little research before posting? Many topics have been thoroughly fleshed out already. If a newbie would do their homework first, then any new questions or observations they have could be added to an already existing thread.
