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Thunderbird Club

:thumbsup: Did you have that made just for me? :laugh:
That shirt is one step above mine...and for good reason. I don't qualify as Okayest. :crying:

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I hadn't thought of blaming the strings for my lame playing. Thanks for the pointer!

Lousy Bass Players with Expensive Gear Club- This would be me as well. But I enjoy it like I were great.

Remember, If you can't play good, you can at least sound good. (My number one rule for bass playing.) Keep your pick on the strings. I'm pulling for you. We're all in this together.
Would you all consider a junior membership for lousy bass players that have lower priced gear? My Thunderbird IV only cost me $300 including the custom Gator case.
sure seem to be getting good mileage with it…...:D
 
Would you all consider a junior membership for lousy bass players that have lower priced gear? My Thunderbird IV only cost me $300 including the custom Gator case.
If you buy more expensive gear, especially vintage gear, it might make you a better player.

Only one way to find out. Do the experiment.
Gibson Thunderbird II Sunburst 1967 | Reverb

Buy it. BUY IT!
 
I read those when you first posted them. Couldn’t figure out exactly what you were talking about. My best guess on what you said is that AC coupled amps have a degree of latency or lag in them and it becomes apparent in fast picking or staccato type playing. Is that correct?


This is amplifier damping in a nutshell

"Amplifier damping factor (DF)is defined as “the ratio of the load impedance (loudspeaker plus wire resistance) to the amplifier internal output impedance.” This basically indicates the amplifier’s ability to control overshoot of the loudspeaker, i.e., to stop the cone from moving. It is most evident at frequencies below 150 Hz or so where the size and weight of the cones become significant. A system where the damping factor of the entire loudspeaker/wire/amplifier circuit is very low will exhibit poor definition in the low frequency range. Low frequency transients such as kick drum hits will sound “muddy” instead of that crisp “punch” we would ideally want from the system."

Amplifier damping factor: More is better! (....or is it?) - EAW: Eastern Acoustic Works
 
I have to admit, I never noticed any lag on my tube amps (SVT-VR and Musicman HD150) but then again I wasn’t listening for it. Besides, I only play finger style so I assume the effect wouldn’t be as apparent as if playing with a pick where up strokes and down strokes can happen pretty fast and each stroke has a different attack tone. I play mostly SS now days so I guess I don’t have to deal with it.

What I have noticed is that some strings respond much faster than others. I can’t recall a specific song off the top of my head but some of the ZZTop stuff requires fast reps on the A and E strings and IIRC I’ve had to switch basses to play them correctly because the strings couldn’t keep up with the song.

LOL - I guess I just unintentionally went there - blaming my lack of ability on the strings. BTW - did I mention I’m a standing member of the Lousy Bass Players with Expensive Gear Club.:D


No decent tube amp is going to have noticeable lag, especially an SVT through a sealed 8 x 10 unless it's cranked way up too loud, they do feel different than a SS amp though. They were really the first bass amps that could play both loud and precise although some people will say the Acoustic 360 was the first but I don't know enough about them to have an opinion. Part of the reason is the tight cabs and the other part is they can go very loud without distortion, 6550's are hard tubes, it takes a lot to make them break up. The sealed 810 cabs stop the cones very quickly because they didn't have a lot of volume of air inside the cab which contributes to their ability to stop quickly.
 
Would you all consider a junior membership for lousy bass players that have lower priced gear? My Thunderbird IV only cost me $300 including the custom Gator case.
There’s two criteria to join the club…
1) a clear lack of talent
2) a sum of money spent on instruments that isn’t justifiable by your playing level.

Here’s a quick test to determine your talent level, it’s a pass or fail question and you have 2 seconds to answer it:
Q) On a fretted 4 string bass in standard EADG tuning, at what fret on the D string will you find B#?

As for money spent, it’s all relative. If you only have $300 to your name then $300 spent on a bass would be a fortune.
 
There’s two criteria to join the club…
1) a clear lack of talent
2) a sum of money spent on instruments that isn’t justifiable by your playing level.

Here’s a quick test to determine your talent level, it’s a pass or fail question and you have 2 seconds to answer it:
Q) On a fretted 4 string bass in standard EADG tuning, at what fret on the D string will you find B#?

As for money spent, it’s all relative. If you only have $300 to your name then $300 spent on a bass would be a fortune.
I almost ran out of fingers trying to figure that one out. So, I passed number 1. Not sure if I pass #2, which is why I asked for a junior membership.
 
No decent tube amp is going to have noticeable lag, especially an SVT through a sealed 8 x 10 unless it's cranked way up too loud, they do feel different than a SS amp though. They were really the first bass amps that could play both loud and precise although some people will say the Acoustic 360 was the first but I don't know enough about them to have an opinion. Part of the reason is the tight cabs and the other part is they can go very loud without distortion, 6550's are hard tubes, it takes a lot to make them break up. The sealed 810 cabs stop the cones very quickly because they didn't have a lot of volume of air inside the cab which contributes to their ability to stop quickly.
My SVT-VR is typically connected to my Bergantino NV610 which is a sealed cab IIRC. Never noticed any issues with it, lag or distortion wise, but I haven’t played it loud in at least 10 years now and I wasn’t really ever listening for it back then.
 
My SVT-VR is typically connected to my Bergantino NV610 which is a sealed cab IIRC. Never noticed any issues with it, lag or distortion wise, but I haven’t played it loud in at least 10 years now and I wasn’t really ever listening for it back then.


It's just a different feel really while you're playing, and it's not lag like you think of it, they don't take a split second to actuate the speakers, in an ideal world the speakers stops almost immediately after the note stops, which a sealed cab like you have helps with. If they stop too fast (to me) the sound is what I call dry, I like just a little give and take which is probably why I like tube amps better. I play the amp as much as I play my bass. I do own a few SS amps too but can tell the difference when I use them. I'm no expert at this I just know what i like but struggle to find technical terms to describe it.