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Thunderbird Club

Miss a couple days and there is a mountain to climb. Please point me to anything that's a must read, otherwise I'm not going to try to get caught up. It's been an exhausting two days. We were getting ready for church and my wife's sister called and said their mother was in cardiac arrest at home. I met them at the hospital, but there was nothing that could be done to save her after 20-30 minutes or so. It was unexpected and which adds to the shock. I feel so badly for Sandra and can't do a thing really. I told her I don't think I ever felt so helpless. All this as we were approaching the first anniversary of her dad's passing in June. I got along great with my MIL, so there's no regrets or bad blood there as is often the case. (Please no need to comment, we all know such things are a real challenge and feel for others who go through such a time. Pick up a Thunderbird and enjoy life while you can.)


That's not good news. I'm sorry to hear this.
 
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Or...the spacing on the CSN was the same for current Reverses and they didn't want to reprogram anything. I realize the body is different, but possibly something about routing the pickups was easier to left alone. You realize that no matter how we try to apply logic, that's going about it all wrong since logic clearly wasn't used in the design process. :smug:

More like details that are critical to owners are not considered important by the suits calling the shots.
 
All good questions! Including, of course, the need for professional help. :D

Since cars always get talked about here, this makes me think of the New Beetle. Front-engine and water-cooled.
The new beetle had some logic to it. The air cooled beetle was a 1930s design that had been incrementally improved until the 70’s when it finally had to be dropped to comply with safety and emissions regulations.
When the new beetle came out, they took that familiar body shape and put it on one of their modern platforms.
 
Ah, I thought there was talk of something more recent. Maybe that was years ago with the second version. I definitely don't keep up with recent car trends unless it's something I own.

I just measured quickly and I think it's purely visual as much as anything. From the neck to the first PU is exactly the same from first PU to the ring on the second (bridge "lead") pu. Some OCD person (I can be that person at times), possibly couldn't stand to see them not more evenly spaced nor over come the urge to put them where they were originally. Still a cool bass. Same with my '06, which I assume are in the same locations.
I bet you could get close enough with EQ.
 
The new beetle had some logic to it. The air cooled beetle was a 1930s design that had been incrementally improved until the 70’s when it finally had to be dropped to comply with safety and emissions regulations.
When the new beetle came out, they took that familiar body shape and put it on one of their modern platforms.
the original was inspired by Tatras….later to be known as the “Czech secret weapon” as it killed a substantial number of german officers (same rear engine shortcomings of the classic porsche)….in fact, Hitler prohibited officers from driving them at one point…..yeah Ferdinand Porsche may have been a genius but the idea was definitely “borrowed”….
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the original was inspired by Tatras….later to be known as the “Czech secret weapon” as it killed a substantial number of german officers (same rear engine shortcomings of the classic porsche)….in fact, Hitler prohibited officers from driving them at one point…..yeah Ferdinand Porsche may have been a genius but the idea was definitely “borrowed”….
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They made VW Beetles in Brazil until 1996, you regularly see nice ones here, course cars don't rust out here and for example I saw this parked on the side of the road the other day down the street on my walk, at night though, 1967 (I think) Plymouth






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The new beetle had some logic to it. The air cooled beetle was a 1930s design that had been incrementally improved until the 70’s when it finally had to be dropped to comply with safety and emissions regulations.
When the new beetle came out, they took that familiar body shape and put it on one of their modern platforms.
I think the air-cooled, Bosch fuel-injected, 1600(?)cc engines were being put into type 3s from the Wolfsburg plant until the end of 1973 when they retooled to produce Rabbit/Golfs. I think that was the end of the air-cooled engines (excepting Brazil or Mexico where they continued making Beetles for some time, perhaps from NOS engines?). IIRC, the type 4 had an air-cooled initially, but moved to a liquid cooled engine.

I had a Type 3 fastback in high school. It was incredibly reliable and a great place to drink beer at lunch time.
 
the original was inspired by Tatras….later to be known as the “Czech secret weapon” as it killed a substantial number of german officers (same rear engine shortcomings of the classic porsche)….in fact, Hitler prohibited officers from driving them at one point…..yeah Ferdinand Porsche may have been a genius but the idea was definitely “borrowed”….
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Where the term "blind spot" probably originated...
 
I bet you could get close enough with EQ.
Yes, and strings are critical. Something with the right amount of mid freqs that can make up for the greater distance between the PUs. Roto 66s, both SS and NPS sound really good, but I keep thinking flats may be the trick since they have less of an inherent scooped sound. GHS Precision Flats this week. Pyramids I believe are a likely solution, but $55 is a little much for a test. But they have worked great on two other basses that sounded less that perfect. TI Jazz Rounds may be next out of the string box. I'm tempted to try the SIT Power Steels from the Jazz, but they sound great and I don't want to take them off. They have also sounded great on both basses I've put them on.
 
Yes, and strings are critical. Something with the right amount of mid freqs that can make up for the greater distance between the PUs. Roto 66s, both SS and NPS sound really good, but I keep thinking flats may be the trick since they have less of an inherent scooped sound. GHS Precision Flats this week. Pyramids I believe are a likely solution, but $55 is a little much for a test. But they have worked great on two other basses that sounded less that perfect. TI Jazz Rounds may be next out of the string box. I'm tempted to try the SIT Power Steels from the Jazz, but they sound great and I don't want to take them off. They have also sounded great on both basses I've put them on.
If you like the SITs on the Jazz, I doubt you'll be disappointed with them on the Thunderbird. Plus they're inexpensive enough to risk it.

But, are you saying rounds are more scooped than flats? I thought it was the opposite. None of the rounds I like to use sound anywhere near scooped.
 
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I just measured quickly and I think it's purely visual as much as anything. From the neck to the first PU is exactly the same from first PU to the ring on the second (bridge "lead") pu. Some OCD person (I can be that person at times), possibly couldn't stand to see them not more evenly spaced nor over come the urge to put them where they were originally. Still a cool bass. Same with my '06, which I assume are in the same locations.
This explanation (and the one about just repeating the 2012 NR pickup layout, if in fact they are the same) seem most plausible.

Keep in mind, the neck dimension changes, the headstock size changes, the bridge changes and the pickup design changes and you’ll quickly realize it isn’t going to sound exactly like a vintage bird regardless of where Gibby put the pickups. So with that in mind I suspect they just visually placed the pickups on the prototype where they thought they looked nice and balanced, then played it a bit and concluded “good enough”. And from just about all owner reports, the sound of the new NR is in fact “good enough” to be called a Tbird. Only a connoisseur of fine vintage birds will be keen enough to readily hear the difference between the new and vintage NR, and even then probably only if they have a vintage bird they can A/B it with. Those folks are few and far between, but a fair number of them are in this club, hence the difference spotted.
 
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