Thunderbird Club

[Klondike]

Then I call you all out.

A bumper on a car is not the same as a fender. Car 101! The bumper is the thing in the front and back, we all know what the bumpers on a car are so I shouldn't have to explain. The fenders are the body parts on the side over the front wheels, the hood is between the fenders and behind the front bumper for instance.

A metaphoric fail on whoever started that and those who continued the trend.

Soap box off. I won't go any further than simply explaining that fender and bumper are 2 separate parts of the car, not synonymous unless a degree of irony was intended, and @Stevis explanation did not explain that part.

Most of is do realize the difference from a bumper and a fender of a car. But calling a fender bass a car fender just misses the tone.

Irronic that your avatar is so clearly a bumper!

 

[kat888]

Yes, playful tweaking on the nose-hairs of the P/J hegemonic entity.

In the actual English-speaking parts of the world, we understand a 'fender' to be what we call a 'bumper' or even 'bumper bar'. Looks like we should be calling them 'wings' or 'mudguards'.

Also the bit at the front of a car is the 'bonnet' and the bit at the back is the 'boot'.

Good to get these things sorted out.

 

[Klondike]

Yes, playful tweaking on the nose-hairs of the P/J hegemonic entity.

In the actual English-speaking parts of the world, we understand a 'fender' to be what we call a 'bumper' or even 'bumper bar'. Looks like we should be calling them 'wings' or 'mudguards'.

Also the bit at the front of a car is the 'bonnet' and the bit at the back is the 'boot'.

Good to get these things sorted out.

Gotta educate the youngins.

 

[ubernator]

Bumper urine bass. Accept no substitute.

The 70s just called, fender is recalling all jazz basses for re decal'ng , new decals say 7ender funk/punk/prog/rock/metal bass. Jack excluded, for actually playing jazz on a jazz bass. Viva Gedmeister!

My jazz basses = cold dead fingers, as in you will get them if you pry them from mine.

Ironically most of my 7enders except my #1 Jazz have been temporarily retired to storage with my Warwicks. That includes the urine from my avatar. (Get it, P bass, Pee bass) this is not because I don't like them, but to protect them because I live on a boat and can only have so many basses out. I am playing 2 inexpensive 90's vintage peaveys in a band I normally would play fenders, and my goth bird and olp mm2 in soad tribute. Yes I would like another bird eventually, but I am not converting or selling off my fenders and Warwicks (3 of each) to have a flock of birds, or rooms full of 30+ peavey basses, or every permutation of blue SX fender clones.

I have to have SOME diversity. And I get paid to use that bird. Don't get me wrong, I like it and am coming around, but will not join the "everything but a bird/Gibson is crap" bandwagon, just like I won't join the "fender only" or "Warwick only" bandwagons. Multiple clubs, equal opportunity is the way for me. Right now I am rocking the budget basses, especially when I am doing double duty and need to bring 4 basses.

 

[ubernator]

Yes, playful tweaking on the nose-hairs of the P/J hegemonic entity.

In the actual English-speaking parts of the world, we understand a 'fender' to be what we call a 'bumper' or even 'bumper bar'. Looks like we should be calling them 'wings' or 'mudguards'.

Also the bit at the front of a car is the 'bonnet' and the bit at the back is the 'boot'.

Good to get these things sorted out.

Here in murica we have hoods and trunks, not boots and bonnets, and waste comes out of the female fanny, not babies. We drive on the right side of the road, right being synonymous with correct, however I disagree with that synonymity applied to politics. In the UK, I think left being synonymous with correct would actually fit my leanings.

So apparently bumper is synonymous with fender on that side of the pond. Me showing typical murican viewpoint there. So I stand corrected in other regions.

Don't kick me out of the club though. I have bonded with bird #1

 

[GBassNorth]

Yes, playful tweaking on the nose-hairs of the P/J hegemonic entity.

In the actual English-speaking parts of the world, we understand a 'fender' to be what we call a 'bumper' or even 'bumper bar'. Looks like we should be calling them 'wings' or 'mudguards'.

Also the bit at the front of a car is the 'bonnet' and the bit at the back is the 'boot'.

Good to get these things sorted out.

Unless you own a mid or rear engine car, in which case the front trunk is sometimes called a Frunk. Or if you own an SUV or hatchback car, in which case the rear trunk access is called a lift gate or rear hatch.
Also something to note on many of today's cars with wrap around integrated body bumpers, the bumpers are nearly as much fender as they are bumper.

 

[kat888]

Unless you own a mid or rear engine car, in which case the front trunk is sometimes called a Frunk. Or if you own an SUV or hatchback car, in which case the rear trunk access is called a lift gate or rear hatch.
Also something to note on many of today's cars with wrap around integrated body bumpers, the bumpers are nearly as much fender as they are bumper.

Forgot about 'roo-bars' - designed to fend off a big red when driving your ute or 4wd in the bush.

 

[ubernator]

Bubble cars. I kinda drive one myself. The bumper is plastic and the fender does not go all the way to the front. And it is all jacked up from being hit while parked by an idiot backing out of his driveway (he was renting a room, so technically it was not HIS) way too fast and way too "not looking". This of course was just a few months after I bought the car new. The front of the fender is technically the rear of the bubble bumper.

 

[Stevis]

And not to sound like sychophant but I think that this is one of the most collegial lists on TB.com. Sure, there is some good-natured ribbing but you never see people flame and dismiss one another in the ways I have seen on other lists.

It is a club (list) devoted to Thunderbird aficionados. So, there is naturally a bit of a bias, as it is the TB.com "aviary". But it is one of the most fun (and informative) sandboxes on the TB.com playground, in my short time on the site (and the majority of my basses are Fenders).

 

[RedVee]

Mudguard or guard just doesn't scan as well as Bumper.

 

[ubernator]

I love the oils, and grew up on Paul Hogan. Never had medium rare goana though.

Not to mention my affinity for Ultrazone (zone3 phazor strike) and laser force. But that was because I was chasing my childhood photon experiences. Invented in USA, continued evolution from down under.

Men at work INXS and of course AC/DC on the radar too. You can keep your hyper venomous critters though.

 

[GBassNorth]

Forgot about 'roo-bars' - designed to fend off a big red when driving your ute or 4wd in the bush.

LOL - I had roo-bars on my Jeep for off roading. Don't think I'll put them on my current 4x4 (Porsche Cayenne) unless the roo or other large pest population increases on the highway.

 

[ubernator]

And not to sound like sychophant but I think that this is one of the most collegial lists on TB.com. Sure, there is some good-natured ribbing but you never see people flame and dismiss one another in the ways I have seen on other lists.

It is a club (list) devoted to Thunderbird offciendos. So, there is naturally a bit of a bias, as it is the TB.com "aviary". But it is one of the most fun (and informative) sandboxes on the TB.com playground, in my short time on the site (and the majority of my basses are Fenders).

Get a rumble rig and come on over to the rumble club. A very friendly sandbox, and the few hardcore fender fanboys don't detract from the fun, they play along too.

 

[hillerup]

Yes, playful tweaking on the nose-hairs of the P/J hegemonic entity.

In the actual English-speaking parts of the world, we understand a 'fender' to be what we call a 'bumper' or even 'bumper bar'. Looks like we should be calling them 'wings' or 'mudguards'.

Also the bit at the front of a car is the 'bonnet' and the bit at the back is the 'boot'.

Good to get these things sorted out.

Exactly... And fenders are also those elongated rubber thingies that you have hanging on the side of your boat, to prevent it from being all thrashed up, when tied to a pier...

 

[Stevis]

Get a rumble rig and come on over to the rumble club. A very friendly sandbox, and the few hardcore fender fanboys don't detract from the fun, they play along too.

Don't have a rumble. Although, one of my very first combo amps was a 70s Fender. Now I have Markbass, TC Electronic and Hartke gear, along with Eden WTD and Tech21 VT DIs. I will still check out the rumble club thread, thanks.

 

[Bent77]

I like mud flaps

 

[TBird1958]

I have 8 fenders at my house, they're attached to two Subarus.

As Thunderbirds go it's good to know that there are other makers of them out there besides Gibson, and what you get from them is often quite different (in many ways) than any of many variations that the originator has produced.

 

[GBassNorth]

And not to sound like sychophant but I think that this is one of the most collegial lists on TB.com. Sure, there is some good-natured ribbing but you never see people flame and dismiss one another in the ways I have seen on other lists.

It is a club (list) devoted to Thunderbird offciendos. So, there is naturally a bit of a bias, as it is the TB.com "aviary". But it is one of the most fun (and informative) sandboxes on the TB.com playground, in my short time on the site (and the majority of my basses are Fenders).

From one gear head to another - Well said!
I own several dozen basses and have the luxury of being able to choose the best bass for a given task. In spite of the fact that my Fenders easily outnumber any of my other bass brands they currently get less amp time than my Gibsons or my Warwicks. I personally find those two brands bring a certain something to the table from a tone standpoint that I'm really using a lot these days. Namely a deeper, darker, richer, more authoritative almost passive aggressive sound that I'm finding useful right now. Do I still like my Alembics and Spectors and Fenders etc, heck yes. If I didn't they'd be gone. I keep telling my very supportive wife I need to trim down the number of basses I own but when every one of them is a gem it's a bit hard to pick one to get rid of. So in spite of the fact that I'm a massive Gibson convert, you'd have to pry my jazz bass from my cold dead hand as well. Rumble amps are another story, tried a couple but just didn't feel the magic, so those you can keep.

 

[GBassNorth]

I like mud flaps

...and and and, butt bows! Don't forget the butt bows!

 

[Korladis]

The thing about tone shaping is that every speaker cabinet and every amp has specific overtones, cancellations, and all kinds of other stuff that goes into the sound. Same with rooms, instruments, and everything else. You can take an Ampeg and EQ it all you want, and I'll probably still not like it all that much. Unless it's a 1965 fliptop or something, but you get the point. The angry piano sound isn't just EQ. It's all the overtones that stack up on top of the EQ. I get everything from mud to really clear angry piano out of the 'Bird and 360 stack. The only drawback is that it's directional, which makes it somewhat difficult to hear on stage at times. Or completely overwhelming. But those are a different issue to deal with. I have had the same problems in some rooms with the little Carvin combo, too.

I love how Ampeg tube amps sound. They have this "plinky" thing happening in the treble/upper mids that I just don't hear on other amps.

I should probably get one at some point.

All this is a far cry from my gigging days, it was just a case of plugging in and wanging everything up to max (other than gain), no pedals nothing, just go for it. Mind that was mid/late 70s punk

Why not gain as well?

I still can't wrap my head around using effects on bass. I spent a LOT of time and money to get it to sound the way I wanted as it is!

What's so hard to understand about it? Seems pretty obvious to me. People want sounds that you can't really get without effects.

If I want reverb, well, my amp doesn't come with it, so I need a pedal to do that live (in the studio obviously just studio reverb is used). If I want even more overdrive for one part than I normally get from my amp, well, there's a pedal for that, too.

Funny thing about effects: soon as I put them in the band situation they just disappear under the drums and guitar. I still wanna add a chorus for a couple songs, but that's a punch in/punch out thing. My distortion (MXR M85) stays on all the time, but with the distortion cranked way back to more of an overdrive, with a lot of dry signal coming through.

They can be difficult to dial in. Most of mine have a bit of boost going on to get louder, and the Dunwich Muff-based fuzz I have has a mids knob to avoid scoop. My regular overdrive I just get from the amp. Effects like my reverb and my ravish sitar pedal I mostly do either when the guitars aren't overdriven, or when I'm playing high up enough that it's audible anyway.

Yeah I get that. It's the only reason I can see for all 'what's flat' questions.
That and that the tone controls don't work how people think they should.

It makes for a good starting place and also if you know that your tone controls are NOT flat when set at noon or "5" on numerical knobs, it gives you a better idea of how they work.

No, no - gain as well.



Out of three pedals (not counting the tuner) there's only one that's on. I could do without it, but it helps get my sound the way I want it, and could be regarded more as 'tone enhancement', ie it's subtle enough that most people - including many bass players - wouldn't notice it as an effect at all.

Having a (chopping) board and power supply does lower the threshold for pedal proliferation though. A power supply is better than having dead 9V batteries end up in landfill.

I could play a show without any of my pedals, and had to a couple months ago because one of my cables died. I prefer having the effects available, though. Most of them aren't on most of the time. I don't use any of them as a basic part of my sound; they're all for specific purposes at specific parts of songs.

I stopped using batteries for power years ago. Just too expensive, too annoying to constantly replace, too much inconsistency in sound depending on how close to being drained the battery was.

I can get an slightly overdriven sound out of my amp's pre, but I'm pretty sure it would kill it in the long run. So I first bought a big muff, but it sounds like underwater farts, last week I bought an aguilar pedal and I'm quite content. Usually I enjoy the sounds my amp produces, but sometimes I need a tad more.

Not starting an effects collection, though, because chorus and such are for guitarists imo.

Only other stuff I got is a P90, because Phil Lynott might've used it on "Dancing in the moonlight". I barely use it, just doesn't sound right.

It won't hurt your amp's pre to overdrive it.

Big Muffs are generally scooped unless they have the tone wicker. I use a Dunwich Amps Big Muff based pedal that has a mids knob, so I have a boosted mids fuzz tone.

The bassline on Bowie's Heroes was tracked with chorus/flanging and Barry Adamson of Magazine used chorus/flanging to great effect, but it is something best used with restraint and moderation.

Dave Edwardson in Neurosis uses chorus to cool effect in Locust Star:

Here in murica we have hoods and trunks, not boots and bonnets, and waste comes out of the female fanny, not babies. We drive on the right side of the road, right being synonymous with correct, however I disagree with that synonymity applied to politics. In the UK, I think left being synonymous with correct would actually fit my leanings.

So apparently bumper is synonymous with fender on that side of the pond. Me showing typical murican viewpoint there. So I stand corrected in other regions.

Don't kick me out of the club though. I have bonded with bird #1

I always just assumed that the joke was more basic than that. A Fender is a part of a car. A bumper is also part of a car. Just "heh heh, we're calling them car parts."