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Thunderbird Club

Did I see somebody mention a Greco Backer??? Consensus seems to be that the grecobirds are pretty darn solid. Any opinions on those 4001s?


I can't directly comment on the standard 4001 Greco clone, the RB-700s, but have used the 4001S clones, the PMB-800. Simply put, they're excellent instruments. The construction is impeccable, continuing to use the stinger that Rick introduced in the early 70s, though thicker, more akin to the 4005 model (which I actually very much like the look of, especially on the headstock). Fat slab fingerboards, very comfortable neck shapes, back painted Plexi trussrod covers like early Ricks. As with many Japanese instruments in that period, the pots and wiring could be higher quality, but are perfectly functional as is. Pickups I think are ceramic, could be wrong there, but are very good sounding and strong, and definitely get you in the Rickenbacker spectrum. On the mapleglo, I've had a Lollar T-bird neck pickup in there, though I'm looking at going to a Toaster soon. The wiring has been upgraded to have push/pulls for the treble cap and for stereo output. The white 4000 started as another PMB, which I have put a Classic Amplification pickup in. Overall, it sounds darned close to the original Greco pickup. Now, the PMBs started out as part of the same series as the Thunderbird clones, pretty much Greco's top production aiming to be as close as possible to original models. The RBs were part of their more standard line. I think on those the body might be pancake construction, but it's hard to decipher the catalogues. The PMB came in the 800 and 1000 originally, with the 800 having the same pancake body as the RB series I believe, which I think my white one is. It's a bit lighter and not quite as resonant as the '89 mapleglo.

Personally, I think they are equal to Rickenbackers, and better than some. I far prefer them in fit and finish to my 4001v63, which had a 2x4 for a neck.

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The second anchor hole for the Opti-grab is under the bridge and I didn't see the need to keep it on the bass, so I put it in the case. If I ever put the 3-point bridge back on, I will add the Opti-grab back. Not that I used it other than a very random instance to adjust how the bass was hanging.
:laugh: Yeah. We have a different response to "how's it hangin'?"
 
My El Degas is very different from a Thunderbird. The neck is a baseball bat, and the bass is a bit heavy. It wants to be horizontal and only horizontal. The pickups sound different, as you would expect from single coils placed at the neck heel and more or less sweet spot. It has a more yellow sound than a Thunderbird.

The 1998 and 2006 Rickenbackers I had were similar except for much thinner necks. And the awkward double truss rod. Given a choice, I will take the El Degas overall. There are some nicer things about a real Ric to be sure. Those things don't overcome what a pita the double trust rod is to deal with.
A long time ago (70’s) I owned an El Degas Jazz bass and an El Degas LP and compared to the real deal they were well made clones. I would gladly own a Ric copy. The name sounds a bit goofy but the instruments themselves were very well made. I remember comparing my Jazz Bass clone to the real deal and it was every bit as good right down to the sound and build details.
 
How's that Vette treating you?

Dang you “Vette” guys!
You made me dig into the picture books.
Here’s my Vette. It burned rubber..If you slammed on the brakes hard enough at 40 mph.
Cheers!
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mom had a Chevette and it was an off road/rally machine when she wasn’t looking….


I found a local mechanic to handle the drivetrain, and he thinks it need catalytic converters and gave me tips on the other stuffs like cosmetics that I’ll be handling.

he did get a laugh over the fender flares and wheels. Apparently the wheels are from a later generation car that is two inches wider. He had never seen anything like it and he has seen everything.

I have an appointment in 6-8 weeks…. One man shop, clean as hell and professional. 53 corvette on one rack and a 60’s chebbie pickup on the other with a 6 speed transmission (corvette)installed

he said he wouldn’t give 15k for the 53 he had on the rack…. And it looked really nice to me…

Rambler is home, needs a little bit before I drive it to work, accelerator assembly needs attention as it broke on the way home…

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I love those wide tires on your ‘Vette! Those dang Cats will get you every time…also the O2 sensors. I live in a State if the car is old enough you don’t need to pass emission tests. I removed my engine choking cat and gained some HP. Of course the newer ones aren’t as flow restrictive so you should be fine. My old one had all kinds of precious metals like palladium, iridium and platinum so I sold it for $$$ and bought a complete Stainless Steel H exhaust that will probably outlive me!
Glad you found a good shop. My buddy owns a transmission shop and he has helped me so much plus he’s affordable! I will add that a well tuned engine burns clean so I don’t pollute.
 
I can't directly comment on the standard 4001 Greco clone, the RB-700s, but have used the 4001S clones, the PMB-800. Simply put, they're excellent instruments. The construction is impeccable, continuing to use the stinger that Rick introduced in the early 70s, though thicker, more akin to the 4005 model (which I actually very much like the look of, especially on the headstock). Fat slab fingerboards, very comfortable neck shapes, back painted Plexi trussrod covers like early Ricks. As with many Japanese instruments in that period, the pots and wiring could be higher quality, but are perfectly functional as is. Pickups I think are ceramic, could be wrong there, but are very good sounding and strong, and definitely get you in the Rickenbacker spectrum. On the mapleglo, I've had a Lollar T-bird neck pickup in there, though I'm looking at going to a Toaster soon. The wiring has been upgraded to have push/pulls for the treble cap and for stereo output. The white 4000 started as another PMB, which I have put a Classic Amplification pickup in. Overall, it sounds darned close to the original Greco pickup. Now, the PMBs started out as part of the same series as the Thunderbird clones, pretty much Greco's top production aiming to be as close as possible to original models. The RBs were part of their more standard line. I think on those the body might be pancake construction, but it's hard to decipher the catalogues. The PMB came in the 800 and 1000 originally, with the 800 having the same pancake body as the RB series I believe, which I think my white one is. It's a bit lighter and not quite as resonant as the '89 mapleglo.

Personally, I think they are equal to Rickenbackers, and better than some. I far prefer them in fit and finish to my 4001v63, which had a 2x4 for a neck.

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Man, hard to beat that for an informative response. Thanks!
 
All this ‘backer love. This club talked me *out* of looking for a Rick (clones weren’t even discussed.)
It's one tone I've never owned. Almost bought one earlier this year but the one year wait on a new one dissuaded me. Got a DarkRay instead since I missed my Stingray. Between my favorite P, my Lull Bird, and my DarkRay I can cover pretty much anything I want to cover. Doesn't mean I don't want more toys to play with. Shoot, right now I have a body and neck sitting on my dining room table of the first "real bass" my dad bought me. A DeArmond Pilot V. I've gotta run down to Rio Grande pickups out here in Houston to talk about the cost of getting some custom pickups made for it. I may or may not have a certain pair of pickups in a certain bass I want them to look at to see what they can come up with.
 
I can't directly comment on the standard 4001 Greco clone, the RB-700s, but have used the 4001S clones, the PMB-800. Simply put, they're excellent instruments. The construction is impeccable, continuing to use the stinger that Rick introduced in the early 70s, though thicker, more akin to the 4005 model (which I actually very much like the look of, especially on the headstock). Fat slab fingerboards, very comfortable neck shapes, back painted Plexi trussrod covers like early Ricks. As with many Japanese instruments in that period, the pots and wiring could be higher quality, but are perfectly functional as is. Pickups I think are ceramic, could be wrong there, but are very good sounding and strong, and definitely get you in the Rickenbacker spectrum. On the mapleglo, I've had a Lollar T-bird neck pickup in there, though I'm looking at going to a Toaster soon. The wiring has been upgraded to have push/pulls for the treble cap and for stereo output. The white 4000 started as another PMB, which I have put a Classic Amplification pickup in. Overall, it sounds darned close to the original Greco pickup. Now, the PMBs started out as part of the same series as the Thunderbird clones, pretty much Greco's top production aiming to be as close as possible to original models. The RBs were part of their more standard line. I think on those the body might be pancake construction, but it's hard to decipher the catalogues. The PMB came in the 800 and 1000 originally, with the 800 having the same pancake body as the RB series I believe, which I think my white one is. It's a bit lighter and not quite as resonant as the '89 mapleglo.

Personally, I think they are equal to Rickenbackers, and better than some. I far prefer them in fit and finish to my 4001v63, which had a 2x4 for a neck.

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Man, hard to beat that for an informative response. Thanks!

my Ibanez is ric-like in shape but the maxon pickups are more thunderbird-like than ric-like.

electronicles are decent enough but not top of the line.

I actually have a short somewhere in my bridge pickups winding and I’m getting 1/3 of the volume of the neck pickup. It still sounds good so I’m contemplating fixing it or leaving it.





 
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my Ibanez is ric-like in shape but the maxon pickups are more thunderbird-like than ric-like.

electronicles are decent enough but not top of the line.

I actually have a short somewhere in my bridge pickups winding and I’m getting 1/3 of the volume of the neck pickup. It still sounds good so I’m contemplating fixing it or leaving it.





That's pretty cool
 
If your referring to the Chevette, I think it was an evolution of the Vega, then Monza…
Don’t know. It was a part of the GM T car “world car” program which produced similar cars for GM brands in Brazil, Europe (Opel & Vauxhall), Asia Pacific (Isuzu & Holden) and NA (Chev & Pontiac). They were all supposed to be the same but the different regions had some differences. GM in NA was of course, the most different to the others. Another case of “do as I say”.
 
mom had a Chevette and it was an off road/rally machine when she wasn’t looking….


I found a local mechanic to handle the drivetrain, and he thinks it need catalytic converters and gave me tips on the other stuffs like cosmetics that I’ll be handling.

he did get a laugh over the fender flares and wheels. Apparently the wheels are from a later generation car that is two inches wider. He had never seen anything like it and he has seen everything.

I have an appointment in 6-8 weeks…. One man shop, clean as hell and professional. 53 corvette on one rack and a 60’s chebbie pickup on the other with a 6 speed transmission (corvette)installed

he said he wouldn’t give 15k for the 53 he had on the rack…. And it looked really nice to me…

Rambler is home, needs a little bit before I drive it to work, accelerator assembly needs attention as it broke on the way home…

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Better that than broke brakes.
 

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