As promised, some shots of my new/old Bicentennial bird: she plays like butter with some TI flats. All original aside from replaced strap buttons and shockingly no headstock repair.
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Can we get video and audio of you playing butter for comparison?As promised, some shots of my new/old Bicentennial bird: she plays like butter with some TI flats. All original aside from replaced strap buttons and shockingly no headstock repair.
This is the perspective/context. Raw numbers are important as pointed out, but only in context does the picture come into focus. While Fender basses are not as common as all Fenders or Gibsons, they are far more common (even with lower numbers than guitars), than other basses. That is the necessary context, yet keeping in mind there are also fewer bass players (though every guitarist seems to also claim that title at timesI saw more '60s P Basses touring two Seattle music stores last week than all of the "60 T Birds listed on Reverb and Ebay, they're far more common than what you suggest, there's at least 70 1964 P basses on Reverb as of today vs. 5 T Birds. 1965 Thunderbird production totaled 302 pieces, they're harder to find because they're far, far rarer regardless of condition with only 1,040 total made from '63-65.
I have to agree. Many guitar players can play a bass. This doesn't mean they're bass players. It's a different discipline. Back in the earliest days of R&R, most bands were 2 guitars, drums, and bass. They would start out with 3 guitars and the least adept would be told "if ya wanna be in the band, buy a bass." In the first band I worked with post-Navy, one of the lead guitarist's cousins 'played' bass. [The other cousin was on drums.](I was on sax*). Great guy, and did "OK", but it wasn't really his 'thing'. We played quite a few gigs in the north end of the Florida Keys(Key Largo, Islamorada, etc.).The 2 guitarists and I came down from Miami. Whatever gigs we did in Miami, I played bass.This is the perspective/context. Raw numbers are important as pointed out, but only in context does the picture come into focus. While Fender basses are not as common as all Fenders or Gibsons, they are far more common (even with lower numbers than guitars), than other basses. That is the necessary context, yet keeping in mind there are also fewer bass players (though every guitarist seems to also claim that title at times). I didn't look closely at numbers, but Fender likely made more Pbasses in a month than Gibson did Thunderbirds in a total production run of several years. Like '57 Chevy's, they were plentiful and popular and many get them and keep them, so what is listed is only a part (small?) of the picture. Not to mention the collector's market has really grown sucking many of the examples. Not only are vintage instruments cool to have, now they can be investments.
Fortunately Thunderbirds have bad PR or everyone would want them and the vintage Thunderbirds would be $30k and up. I'm glad people want nothing but a Fender, etc., and are happy. I could play nothing but Thunderbirds and be completely fulfilled, albeit unskilled bass player.
Very nice!! Congrats!!As promised, some shots of my new/old Bicentennial bird: she plays like butter with some TI flats. All original aside from replaced strap buttons and shockingly no headstock repair.
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I’ll bet you were all over that sax!I have to agree. Many guitar players can play a bass. This doesn't mean they're bass players. It's a different discipline. Back in the earliest days of R&R, most bands were 2 guitars, drums, and bass. They would start out with 3 guitars and the least adept would be told "if ya wanna be in the band, buy a bass." In the first band I worked with post-Navy, one of the lead guitarist's cousins 'played' bass. [The other cousin was on drums.](I was on sax*). Great guy, and did "OK", but it wasn't really his 'thing'. We played quite a few gigs in the north end of the Florida Keys(Key Largo, Islamorada, etc.).The 2 guitarists and I came down from Miami. Whatever gigs we did in Miami, I played bass.
*technically, the sax was on me
This is the perspective/context. Raw numbers are important as pointed out, but only in context does the picture come into focus. While Fender basses are not as common as all Fenders or Gibsons, they are far more common (even with lower numbers than guitars), than other basses. That is the necessary context, yet keeping in mind there are also fewer bass players (though every guitarist seems to also claim that title at times). I didn't look closely at numbers, but Fender likely made more Pbasses in a month than Gibson did Thunderbirds in a total production run of several years. Like '57 Chevy's, they were plentiful and popular and many get them and keep them, so what is listed is only a part (small?) of the picture. Not to mention the collector's market has really grown sucking many of the examples. Not only are vintage instruments cool to have, now they can be investments.
Fortunately Thunderbirds have bad PR or everyone would want them and the vintage Thunderbirds would be $30k and up. I'm glad people want nothing but a Fender, etc., and are happy. I could play nothing but Thunderbirds and be completely fulfilled, albeit unskilled bass player.
Yeah, Mike talked about "tongue slapping" a couple weeks ago. Let's don't go there. I don't know if that's a fancy musical term or not, but I don't want to know no more.I’ll bet you were all over that sax!

Indeed.I think old Fender basses are far more common than most folks realize, it's no exaggeration to say that there are thousands of them in existence from the mid '60s, I could walk 3 blocks from my work right now and buy one, were I so inclined. With just over 1k Reverse Thunderbirds made (and some lost to breakage) the math isn't all that difficult.
There's just something cool about the old basses regardless of who made them, mines a Road Warrior at best, pretty beat up, but it still just has that "something" going on when I play it, I feel quite fortunate in being able to own it.
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Nice!As promised, some shots of my new/old Bicentennial bird: she plays like butter with some TI flats. All original aside from replaced strap buttons and shockingly no headstock repair.
As promised, some shots of my new/old Bicentennial bird: she plays like butter with some TI flats. All original aside from replaced strap buttons and shockingly no headstock repair.
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Thanks Captain ObviousOf course I’m weird. I’ve always been weird.”
Is it Seattle Lighting you work for? I meant to ask while in Washington, as we passed it on one of our trips to meet up somewhere.I think old Fender basses are far more common than most folks realize, it's no exaggeration to say that there are thousands of them in existence from the mid '60s, I could walk 3 blocks from my work right now and buy one, were I so inclined. With just over 1k Reverse Thunderbirds made (and some lost to breakage) the math isn't all that difficult.
There's just something cool about the old basses regardless of who made them, mines a Road Warrior at best, pretty beat up, but it still just has that "something" going on when I play it, I feel quite fortunate in being able to own it.
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