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#307,744
Miles_ONeal said:
The problem, of course, is standards. You'd have to sell old->new adapters until the new standard reached critical mass, then sell new->old adapters. You'd really sell both all along, but the new->old would have very low sales at first (early adopters, newbies, etc.)
The RCA phono plug would take less space and provide better connections. The 1/8" / 3.5mm plugs like some headphones use are just smaller versions of the 1/4" phone jacks.

For those who don't know, they're called phone plugs / jacks because that's what the early switchboard operators used when plugging in to connect one line/extension to another. The first patents around these were filed in the early-mid 1890s. So it is, indeed, ancient tech back when the phone switch was an operator.
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I don't see why 1/8 phone jacks wouldn't solve the issue. It isn't like the jacks and cables need to handle huge ampacity loads.
 
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Gaolee said:
I don't see why 1/8 phone jacks wouldn't solve the issue. It isn't like the jacks and cables need to handle huge ampacity loads.
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One of the weaknesses of most phone plug/jacks, regardless of size, is the minimal contact between plug and jack. If this is improved, and the cables are made sturdily, I'd have no objection to these for a new standard. You'd still want a really sturdy cable and plug between instrument, pedalboard/pedal if any, and amp.
 
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Miles_ONeal said:
One of the weaknesses of most phone plug/jacks, regardless of size, is the minimal contact between plug and jack. If this is improved, and the cables are made sturdily, I'd have no objection to these for a new standard. You'd still want a really sturdy cable and plug between instrument, pedalboard/pedal if any, and amp.
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"Is it in yet?"
 
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Miles_ONeal said:
One of the weaknesses of most phone plug/jacks, regardless of size, is the minimal contact between plug and jack. If this is improved, and the cables are made sturdily, I'd have no objection to these for a new standard. You'd still want a really sturdy cable and plug between instrument, pedalboard/pedal if any, and amp.
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yeah you got this volumetrically mondo connector with under 10 mils(?) of contact area lol....further, way overkill, .773 Vac @600Ohm (minimal current) has been the AES "full" volume std from day one......
 
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Stealth57 said:
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the connector is huge because it's meant to be constantly handled and cycled, the (max) current they (1/4" jacks) are meant to carry as defined by the internationally ratified electrical (AES = Audio Engineering Society) standards is 0dBm = full scale = volume maxed = 775 mV at 600 Ohms which draws just over 1mA.... nothing basically, today it's even less since 600Ohm systems have been replaced by 10k inputs since 70/100 Volt systems (old distributed PA systems as in schools and hospitals) have not been used in decades.....hope this is a little clearer?....sorry, I just cut to the chase with Miles...
 
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Chucky Stiletti said:
the connector is huge because it's meant to be constantly handled and cycled, the (max) current they (1/4" jacks) are meant to carry as defined by the internationally ratified electrical (AES = Audio Engineering Society) standards is 0dBm = full scale = volume maxed = 775 mV at 600 Ohms which draws just over 1mA.... nothing basically, today it's even less since 600Ohm systems have been replaced by 10k inputs since 70/100 Volt systems (old distributed PA systems as in schools and hospitals) have not been used in decades.....hope this is a little clearer?....sorry, I just cut to the chase with Miles...
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Chucky Stiletti said:
the connector is huge because it's meant to be constantly handled and cycled, the (max) current they (1/4" jacks) are meant to carry as defined by the internationally ratified electrical (AES = Audio Engineering Society) standards is 0dBm = full scale = volume maxed = 775 mV at 600 Ohms which draws just over 1mA.... nothing basically, today it's even less since 600Ohm systems have been replaced by 10k inputs since 70/100 Volt systems (old distributed PA systems as in schools and hospitals) have not been used in decades.....hope this is a little clearer?....sorry, I just cut to the chase with Miles...
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Right? The cycling still makes sense with instruments and amps (other than those in practice spaces or dedicated stages) but not for pedal boards.
The initial use case (switchboards) might see a plug or jack used more in a week to month than a touring rig sees in years.
 
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Miles_ONeal said:
Right? The cycling still makes sense with instruments and amps (other than those in practice spaces or dedicated stages) but not for pedal boards.
The initial use case (switchboards) might see a plug or jack used more in a week to month than a touring rig sees in years.
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The beauty of a pedal board is that everything stays plugged in, other than the first input and last output, ideally all powered by a great power supply. Of course you have people like our guitarist who insists on using batteries and crap cables, so he's always wrestling with signal issues. Meanwhile I plug in and am ready to go. Never a problem, at least from my end.
 
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BklynKen said:
The beauty of a pedal board is that everything stays plugged in, other than the first input and last output, ideally all powered by a great power supply. Of course you have people like our guitarist who insists on using batteries and crap cables, so he's always wrestling with signal issues. Meanwhile I plug in and am ready to go. Never a problem, at least from my end.
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Dude. Truer words..... The two guitarists I am playing with didn't have a functioning turner between them. I got so annoyed with the never ending tuning nonsense, I bought 2 cheap tuners on Amazon. They were both really happy with how much better we sounded as a band after using them....
 
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