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Thanks Kat and Chucky! The reason that I asked is that guitar players are always mucking around with their tubes, as part of modding their amp with super expensive NOS yesteryear RCA tubes and the like. And many guitar amps come with cheap Chinese tubes and a trip to any electronics tech is spendy. I figured that this might be the case with stock bass amps too. So, I was thinking that it would get cost prohibitive to play those games on bigger bass amps.

The small Ampeg Pf-20t/50t heads, which Jeff posted about a while back, have this feature with a light on back. You basically turn a screw until the light turns green. I haven't read any/many posts in that group about how well that works.

I wouldn't want to "blow up" a $$$ head but you could really burn through some cash with cost of good tubes AND trips to an amp tech.

Note: This isn't meant to read like I am down on tube heads. I think the tube sound is cool. It was more just me thinking out loud about the differences in some guitar and bass amps.
With guitarists it's all about the tone of a tube in it's overdriven (non linear region) state. What happens is that the original signal gets softly (ideally) compressed and in changing it's waveform shape, harmonics get added or removed from the original signal. This is the reason guitarists like to piddle with tubes and like to come up with their own unique voicings. In effect, what you are really doing is tuning the amp as an instrument much like you would a guitar by changing pickups, strings, etc. For bass (and there are a number of very heated threads on TB about this) in my opinion, many players like a slight amount of overdrive in their tube amps (others don't, hence the Tube vs SS discussions) but in the end we bass players really seek ample power and headroom. This will come from the circuit design considerations of the amplifier and although the tube selection will make a slight difference it is not paramount to the overall sound as it is with guitar amplification. This is why we don't play with tubes the way guitarists do.
Make sense?
 
Speaking of tubes. Spent about 30 minutes with my fresh out of the shop, Traynor yba 200-2. The tech (at Jonathan Reiner’s suggestion) clipped out a certain cap and the amp was re biased. A little soon to tell, but there’s definitely a bit more clean headroom. I’m still in my continued love/hate relationship with this amp, but it seems better than it was before.
The controls still seem pretty dopey to me. ‘Range’ knob?! What does that even mean?! “Hey, this amp is sounding pretty good, anything we can do about that?” “Did you try the Range knob? Turning that up makes it sound pretty sh!tty.” “Ok, thanks!”
Then there’s ‘Scoop’ and ‘Resonance.’
I mean, they do stuff when you turn em, but is that necessary? How about four bands of eq that sounds good with everything at noon and NOTHING ELSE! I can tweak a little from there and be good to go.
Despite all this, it is a neat sounding amp. Just unnecessarily fussy. Very tempted to take it to my Derek Hoke gig tomorrow to see for sure, since most stuff sounds fine to me in the music room. I’ll be thrilled if it works well because a loud tube amp that only weighs 40lbs is pretty cool :)
 
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The controls still seem pretty dopey to me. ‘Range’ knob?! What does that even mean! “Hey, this amp is sounding pretty good, anything we can do about that?” “Did you try the Range knob? Turning that up makes it sound pretty sh!tty.” “Ok, thanks!”
Then there’s ‘Scoop’ and ‘Resonance.’
I mean, they do stuff when you turn em, but is that necessary? How about four bands of eq that sounds good with everything at noon and NOTHING ELSE! I can tweak a little from there and be good to go.
Despite all this, it is a neat sounding amp. Just unnecessarily fussy. Very tempted to take it to my Derek Hoke gig tomorrow to see for sure, since most stuff sounds fine to me in the music room. I’ll be thrilled if it works well because a loud tube amp that only weighs 40lbs is pretty cool :)

Range alters the mid corner frequency -- sort of a passive parametric -- I keep it on zero.

Scoop is satan's knob -- don't touch it.

Resonance is a feedback control for the power stage. Less = tight, more = big bouncy bassy pillow.

From left to right, the approved Kat settings are (in panel numbers)

Gain: 7 (I know, I know)
Treble: 2 + Bright OFF
Mid: 10
Range: 0
Bass: 10
Scoop: we will never speak of this control again
Resonance: adjust the boom to the room

PS. I hear you. Bass, Mid, Treb and Pres would have been fine with me...
 
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Sweet. That band I did that one-off gig with (where Jeff kindly showed up) wants to record. I'm totally into this. And since there's no band practice this week, we're using the practice space to play a little and talk about the recording. Basically what this means is that I get to try out the Lo-Riders in a band mix. I owe them that much. Assuming I'm not thrilled, compared to the RS66, I can take them off and check out those LaBellas.
 
Sweet. That band I did that one-off gig with (where Jeff kindly showed up) wants to record. I'm totally into this. And since there's no band practice this week, we're using the practice space to play a little and talk about the recording. Basically what this means is that I get to try out the Lo-Riders in a band mix. I owe them that much. Assuming I'm not thrilled, compared to the RS66, I can take them off and check out those LaBellas.

Now that sounds cool.
 
Range alters the mid corner frequency -- sort of a passive parametric -- I keep it on zero.

Scoop is satan's knob -- don't touch it.

Resonance is a feedback control for the power stage. Less = tight, more = big bouncy bassy pillow.

From left to right, the approved Kat settings are (in panel numbers)

Gain: 7 (I know, I know)
Treble: 2 + Bright OFF
Mid: 10
Range: 0
Bass: 10
Scoop: we will never speak of this control again
Resonance: adjust the boom to the room

PS. I hear you. Bass, Mid, Treb and Pres would have been fine with me...

I promise not to touch Satan’s Knob
 
I just finished building a couple greenboy cabs for a customer, so I tried the Traynor with that. The sealed 212 I keep in the music room is a prototype that never got green lighted. The Greenboy cab in question has a 15” woofer, a 5” mid driver and a horn (the horn is turned off for now). Actually, the Traynor sounds quite a bit better through that cab. Gonna drag the 1822 in and try that next :)
 
I just finished building a couple greenboy cabs for a customer, so I tried the Traynor with that. The sealed 212 I keep in the music room is a prototype that never got green lighted. The Greenboy cab in question has a 15” woofer, a 5” mid driver and a horn (the horn is turned off for now). Actually, the Traynor sounds quite a bit better through that cab. Gonna drag the 1822 in and try that next :)

Is the 212 4ohm or 8ohm?. I know the Traynor is switchable. Just curious how you were running it.
 
Is the 212 4ohm or 8ohm?. I know the Traynor is switchable. Just curious how you were running it.

The 212 proto is 4 ohms and the greenboy and 1822 are 8 ohms each, but I’m also trying two greenboy F115’s, since I made a stack for the customer...that’s really fun :)

I’m confident our next iteration of the sealed 212 will be a winner, but this proto is never gonna be anything but a bedroom rig as it is.
 
Is the 212 4ohm or 8ohm?. I know the Traynor is switchable. Just curious how you were running it.

Also...as long as you change the impedance switch in the back for the right load, the volume of the amp seems to be the same at 4 or 8 ohms.
 
I just finished building a couple greenboy cabs for a customer, so I tried the Traynor with that. The sealed 212 I keep in the music room is a prototype that never got green lighted. The Greenboy cab in question has a 15” woofer, a 5” mid driver and a horn (the horn is turned off for now). Actually, the Traynor sounds quite a bit better through that cab. Gonna drag the 1822 in and try that next :)
How about a picture of the stack?
 
How about a picture of the stack?

Okie doke! Crappy picture, but...
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Nice!
Would look better in black and/or white... but then again, that goes for almost everything :D

I just make what the customers want, man! No judgements here :)

I've listened to Ed Friedlands 2 15" Cab he uses for Upright. Thunder!

Hey, I built that cab! Ed is an old buddy. He briefly lived in Nashville when he first joined the Mavericks and we’re both into cycling. Awesome dude!