Thunderbird Club

[dukeorock]

Oh, I see. It's the full shebang.

Theoretically, at least!

 

[BklynKen]

Theoretically, at least!

Yeah, but I live in NYC, not Theory.

 

[Chucky Stiletti]

In part, I suppose. A modeling amp, like the Fractal AX8 uses modeling software so that in theory at least, you can run any (virtual) amp through any (virtual) effects, into any (virtual) cab sim. Every parameter can be tweaked to the nth degree. Again, unbelievably cool on paper, but I’m lacking good real world examples of why I should go down that very deep and expensive rabbit hole

I wouldn't...why reinvent the wheel?..

 

[veebass]

No Cataldo Fenderbird for me.
I couldn't get a solid answer on the shipping, bidding was getting near the limit I set myself and it was in 10% Australia tax and additional custom charges territory.

As it turned out in the end I would have paid what it went for or a little more, if I could have had a firmer answer on the shipping costs.
C'est la vie.

 

[Dr_Feelgoood212]

No Cataldo Fenderbird for me.
I couldn't get a solid answer on the shipping, bidding was getting near the limit I set myself and it was in 10% Australia tax and additional custom charges territory.

As it turned out in the end I would have paid what it went for or a little more, if I could have had a firmer answer on the shipping costs.
C'est la vie.

Ya win some, ya lose some... unless you're @dukeorock ... then you win them all for a fraction of the price...

 

[NoFiller]

There’s a club in Nashville called Nudies. Some rich dude collected many of his old suits, guitars, posters...even bought his old Cadillac and had it mounted to the wall. Sadly the club itself is pretty lame, but the old pieces are incredible

Weir, Kretutzman, Garcia, Tweedy. Nudies

 

[veebass]

I had a funny thing happen last weekend.
My son was visiting and he is better with pedals etc than me.

So, I asked him to have a look at my board because I thought my MXR M87 Bass Compressor might be faulty.
I hadn't seen the meter display light up for a while although signal was going through and the input and output knobs were working.

He plugged in and immediately the display lights up and indicates gain reduction etc.

He handed to me- nothing. Hand back to him it lights up like a Christmas tree. We did this a couple of times- same result.

In the end, I ribbed him about my "superior" right hand technique.

 

[Stevis]

Weir, Kretutzman, Garcia, Tweedy. Nudies

Mike Mills, of REM, was rock'n Nudies for a while too.

 

[Birdbrain]

Beautiful, reminds me of mine........Before Chromitis got ahold of me.


Do I have you on the club roster?

I think so.

 

[dukeorock]

I wouldn't...why reinvent the wheel?..

I’m not arguing for or against the tech, just curious who’s used it.

No Cataldo Fenderbird for me.
I couldn't get a solid answer on the shipping, bidding was getting near the limit I set myself and it was in 10% Australia tax and additional custom charges territory.

As it turned out in the end I would have paid what it went for or a little more, if I could have had a firmer answer on the shipping costs.
C'est la vie.

Ouch! Hopefully that just means something better is in store

 

[Stevis]

I’m not arguing for or against the tech, just curious who’s used it.

On this topic, you have mentioned that you record bass tracks remotely and then send them off to be used in recordings. I was curious how this works in terms of production? For example, how much creative license are you given on tone? Do they prefer that you do something dry and then they add effects (e.g., compression) in mixing/production or do they let you mic a cab and/or use pedals?

I know there are some programs out there that can model drums (Slate and Superior Drummer) and bass, among other instruments.

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This sort of program could allow them to tweak your tracks.

I know that you are talking about a slighty different form of modeling technology. But this is kinda related.

 

[dukeorock]

On this topic, you have mentioned that you record bass tracks remotely and then send them off to be used in recordings. I was curious how this works in terms of production? For example, how much creative license are you given on tone? Do they prefer that you do something dry and then they add effects (e.g., compression) in mixing/production or do they let you mic a cab and/or use pedals?

I know there are some programs out there that can model drums (Slate and Superior Drummer) and bass, among other instruments.

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This sort of program could allow them to tweak your tracks.

I know that you are talking about a slighty different form of modeling technology. But this is kinda related.

That’s pretty neat tech! I’m not sure it would be what I need as that is something you play from a midi controller to emulate a bass...pretty cool though! For me to use it, I’d need a way to convert bass playing into midi notes.

What I’m talking about is using an actual bass guitar into a modeler that emulates amps and effects. Doubt I’d go down that road but it’s interesting to see how the tech is evolving

 

[Stevis]

That’s pretty neat tech! I’m not sure it would be what I need as that is something you play from a midi controller to emulate a bass...pretty cool though! For me to use it, I’d need a way to convert bass playing into midi notes.

What I’m talking about is using an actual bass guitar into a modeler that emulates amps and effects. Doubt I’d go down that road but it’s interesting to see how the tech is evolving

Yes. My impression is that this is what people use that don't need or want to mess with a bass player or rhythm section for that matter (including drum simulations) - literally a "one man band".

 

[dukeorock]

Yes. My impression is that this is what people use that don't need or want to mess with a bass player or rhythm section for that matter (including drum simulations) - literally a "one man band".

I could see that being great for a keyboardist/home producer, for sure!

 

[Stevis]

I tried a guitar cab simulator pedal, in my quest for bedroom/home recording options. I didn't find it useful.

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[dukeorock]

A lot of people like that new Omni Cab Sim, but stuff like the Fractal AX8 is a different thing altogether. It’s pretty expensive too, so you’d want to be pretty darn sure before diving in!

 

[kat888]

I tried a guitar cab simulator pedal, in my quest for bedroom/home recording options. I didn't find it useful.

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aka a 'low pass filter'

 

[BklynKen]

A lot of people like that new Omni Cab Sim, but stuff like the Fractal AX8 is a different thing altogether. It’s pretty expensive too, so you’d want to be pretty darn sure before diving in!

And two of the new Darkglass Ultra pedals have cab sims, too.

 

[Stevis]

A lot of people like that new Omni Cab Sim, but stuff like the Fractal AX8 is a different thing altogether. It’s pretty expensive too, so you’d want to be pretty darn sure before diving in!

No kidding. I guess for IEM and DI into FOH, it would beat schlepping gear.

I think that we covered some of this when we were discussing tubes a few days ago. But I wonder if a bass player would find as much utility with this as guitar players? In the past, people have made the point that it doesn't matter if others (e.g., audience) hear/appreciate the nuance in tone, but it matters if we do. But with bass are people going to notice the nuance of switching from an Orange to an Ampeg or a Mesa Boogie in the course of one gig? I am not a pro but an anecdotal observation is that I seldom see bassists even swapping out instruments during a performance, to the same degree we see it with guitarists.

Maybe you are thinking about the utility to your recording projects. And it is quite possible that I am in over my head and missing the point.

 

[hillerup]

...I am not a pro but an anecdotal observation is that I seldom see bassists even swapping out instruments during a performance, to the same degree we see it with guitarists...

Guess you haven't seen Stefan Olsdal of Placebo play live then...