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You’re a savage lol.

I used a piece of string under the high e on my les Paul. Sounded dead...didn’t ring well. Gibson had a problem on this particular model with the high e cut too deep.
Fortunately, zero impact on sound or sustain with the tape method. Like I said, I forgot I had taped mine years ago even though I play it nearly daily.
 
Fortunately, zero impact on sound or sustain with the tape method. Like I said, I forgot I had taped mine years ago even though I play it nearly daily.

Perhaps not perceivable to you. It has to effect it though. I find that thick bass string are less susceptible to changes.... mass overpowers the impedance. Fretless guitars dont really work
 
Not Tbird related in the least.
Just throwin out a random vid/tune. C'mon, it's early.


Diggy groove. Harper loses me though... he dips into the realm of ornamentation with his vocal lines, and I'm out. It says, "listen to me!", and I'm out...
Trying to make the blues pretty is not blood. I know, I'm a little harsh. But I dig the band!
 
Diggy groove. Harper loses me though... he dips into the realm of ornamentation with his vocal lines, and I'm out. It says, "listen to me!", and I'm out...

Sometimes I feel like hater when I call things hokie... there’s just no depth or interesting character... I like things that build and drop and take you through a bit of noise and dissonance... to a logical extreme...i stopped when he started signing too. I like Ben Harper solo on acoustic... songs like alone...

What do you mean ornamental?
 
Sometimes I feel like hater when I call things hokie... there’s just no depth or interesting character... I like things that build and drop and take you through a bit of noise and dissonance... to a logical extreme...i stopped when he started signing too. I like Ben Harper solo on acoustic... songs like alone...

What do you mean ornamental?

Vocal "decorations" to a melody line.

I took some vocal class ar RIC back in 97, and we sang what was handed out in class. Our teacher talked about the difference between singing the melody, and adding "ornaments". They could be written as well as ad-libbed, but the important thing to get was that they weren't essentially melody.

I reference it here just to remark how he seems to make effort to ornament what could be a simpler delivery, still getting the feel and vibe of the tune to the listener.

Hey, I'm kinda picky about that. If something hurts you say ouch, and it sounds like it hurt...
 
Newest music to me that I find InterestinG....is Ben Howard...these two songs... he down tunes this acoustic ....all strings and then capos everything but the now C or C#string...

Really slow with a lot of texture that builds to something almost noisy but not....like really not, just subtle.



Other tune is faster and electric.... still partial capo... he makes a rhythm out of picking open harmonics for a part of it... at first you wonder how is he going to make something musical out if this....until it bursts into a very musical, very interesting song.

I’m used to the heavy dissonance of Nine inch nails and Manson.....now that I’m older my taste for that Rawness is more subtle... I want it but ina more Refined way



Anybody know of some really interesting stuff... that strays away from the hokie...I’m all ears.
 
Perhaps not perceivable to you. It has to effect it though. I find that thick bass string are less susceptible to changes.... mass overpowers the impedance. Fretless guitars dont really work
Just trust me, one layer of vinyl tape sitting in the groove of a synthetic material nut and being compressed into that groove by significant bass string tension isn't going to be sonically noticeable by anyones ears. The tape and the nut material are similar enough there wont be any obvious impact to the bass player or the audience.

Where you might hear a difference is if the nut slot is cut too wide and the string isn't seating properly in the slot. Or if you had a brass nut and you used multiple layers of vinyl tape, you could possibly create a cushion that might make the string sound different. Or if you tried this on a much finer guitar string.

But a single layer of plastic tape on a plastic nut to raise the string to the correct height within a normal width slot just isn't going to be heard. Especially on a bass and certainly not in a mix of any kind.

Not sure what your fretless point is about. Never had to adjust the nut grooves on any of my fretless basses.
 
Vocal "decorations" to a melody line.

I took some vocal class ar RIC back in 97, and we sang what was handed out in class. Our teacher talked about the difference between singing the melody, and adding "ornaments". They could be written as well as ad-libbed, but the important thing to get was that they weren't essentially melody.

I reference it here just to remark how he seems to make effort to ornament what could be a simpler delivery, still getting the feel and vibe of the tune to the listener.

Hey, I'm kinda picky about that. If something hurts you say ouch, and it sounds like it hurt...

@JJR58 , I'm not picking on anyone, just doing my occasional visceral recoil... dude's got him some pipes, a good sounding voice. I just think he's something of a product of this present musical pop-culture, which leaves me feeling a little desolate.

Gimme some Leslie West and a walk home on a wet night, drunk. Lol.

Interesting idea.... I stopped listening too.... can’t say in regards to that song....but

I think I’m the opposite.... I think I prefer interesting twists...like the difference between another guitar playing the same thing vs playing something that adds to it.... always hated how buddy holly sounded the same no matter the subject matter of a song... not a buddy holly expert just saying.
 
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Just trust me, one layer of vinyl tape sitting in the groove of a synthetic material nut and being compressed into that groove by significant bass string tension isn't going to be sonically noticeable by anyones ears. The tape and the nut material are similar enough there wont be any obvious impact to the bass player or the audience.

Where you might hear a difference is if the nut slot is cut too wide and the string isn't seating properly in the slot. Or if you had a brass nut and you used multiple layers of vinyl tape, you could possibly create a cushion that might make the string sound different. Or if you tried this on a much finer guitar string.

But a single layer of plastic tape on a plastic nut to raise the string to the correct height within a normal width slot just isn't going to be heard. Especially on a bass and certainly not in a mix of any kind.

Not sure what your fretless point is about. Never had to adjust the nut grooves on any of my fretless basses.

The point was that on a bass, the perceivable difference for tone is less....because mass overpowers the impedance....of something like tape.... the way a big truck wouldn’t notice hitting a squirrel. Less so on a guitar
 
Just trust me, one layer of vinyl tape sitting in the groove of a synthetic material nut and being compressed into that groove by significant bass string tension isn't going to be sonically noticeable by anyones ears. The tape and the nut material are similar enough there wont be any obvious impact to the bass player or the audience.

Where you might hear a difference is if the nut slot is cut too wide and the string isn't seating properly in the slot. Or if you had a brass nut and you used multiple layers of vinyl tape, you could possibly create a cushion that might make the string sound different. Or if you tried this on a much finer guitar string.

But a single layer of plastic tape on a plastic nut to raise the string to the correct height within a normal width slot just isn't going to be heard. Especially on a bass and certainly not in a mix of any kind.

Not sure what your fretless point is about. Never had to adjust the nut grooves on any of my fretless basses.
or if in an emergency you use a piece of matchbook..
 
@JJR58 , I'm not picking on anyone, just doing my occasional visceral recoil... dude's got him some pipes, a good sounding voice. I just think he's something of a product of this present musical pop-culture, which leaves me feeling a little desolate.

Gimme some Leslie West and a walk home on a wet night, drunk. Lol.

No worries, all good we're cool. Just nobody ever mention Dave Matthews. Uh, yeah. I said that.

And i Love, Mountain!!!!
 
The point was that on a bass, the perceivable difference for tone is less............Less so on a guitar
I would imagine so. Hence my tidbit of quick fix Talkbass advice to a fellow Bass player having problems with the D string on his Bass. I play guitar, very poorly, so I typically don't field help wanted questions on that instrument. ;)
 
No worries, all good we're cool. Just nobody ever mention Dave Matthews. Uh, yeah. I said that.

And i Love, Mountain!!!!
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I would imagine so. Hence my tidbit of quick fix Talkbass advice to a fellow Bass player having problems with the D string on his Bass. I play guitar, very poorly, so I typically don't field help wanted questions on that instrument. ;)

I will always argue for the least tone subtractive option... is it a big difference? probably not...is there a difference? I would always say yes...a difference is a difference is a difference.

Like how different words mean similar things but ARE different.

Most important thing is that if you start adding (lol) subtractive tone impedeances, singularily, not a big deal but compounded together you’re taking away from the peak of possible tone in a big way.

As a quick fix who cares... to leave it like that?....if you don’t care than nobody else will either.... but in practice trying to do the best you can seems a good idea.

It’s what makes the world move towards pristine perfection and not the mediocrity of apathy.

Every major move forward was met with “doesn’t make a difference, doesn’t matter, won’t work,farming? who cares we like being hunter gathers” lol

THERE WAS A TIME WHEN SOLID BODY GUITARS WERE THOUGHT RIDICULOUS AND LAUGHED AT!

When Leo Fender Asked Les Paul to Endorse the Telecaster
 
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Les Paul didn’t endorse the telecaster but he used it to put pressure on Gibson to do what he’d asked them to do 10 years earlier...

I get the same responses from unimaginative people all the time. It’s basically how I can tell that my mind is on the right track.

On a silly note if one of my friends HATES a book, I know I’ll love it. Stephen Kings Gunslinger. The 4 pages referring to SIZE...