Thunderbird Club

[godofthunder59]

Stage right for me 'cos that's where the previous guy stood. I'd rather be by the hi-hats.[Invalid or Expired Link Removed]

My preference for stage right long predates playing in a Who tribute. In fact it goes back to 1971.

 

[Gaolee]

There are "rules"- for keeping order- that are mostly unwritten... the rules are mostly just an agreement to seek an orderly expression of an idea among peers. This works when the people involved are somewhat accomplished on their axe, and have some agreed upon vision of their role within the group.
Mostly jazz is about interpretation, and that means improvisation. So in the 40s and 50s you got a lot of nimble, complicated melodies over the changes to "I Got Rhythm". Be-Bop. That melody was hidden within those chord changes, but you could derive a whole slew of new melodies from those I-VI-II-V chord changes also. And then soloists- even the whole rhythm section- would take it out of the box and run with it. It got absolutely crazy, and some ripping cool music came of it.
Lol, didn't mean to run out of the box...
Jazz is, in many different ways and with many different approaches, about interpretation of a musical idea. I guess.

There is no box.

 

[BklynKen]

There are "rules"- for keeping order- that are mostly unwritten... the rules are mostly just an agreement to seek an orderly expression of an idea among peers. This works when the people involved are somewhat accomplished on their axe, and have some agreed upon vision of their role within the group.
Mostly jazz is about interpretation, and that means improvisation. So in the 40s and 50s you got a lot of nimble, complicated melodies over the changes to "I Got Rhythm". Be-Bop. That melody was hidden within those chord changes, but you could derive a whole slew of new melodies from those I-VI-II-V chord changes also. And then soloists- even the whole rhythm section- would take it out of the box and run with it. It got absolutely crazy, and some ripping cool music came of it.
Lol, didn't mean to run out of the box...
Jazz is, in many different ways and with many different approaches, about interpretation of a musical idea. I guess.

 

[JJR58]

There is no box.

Wait. What kinda box? Uh, ok. trouble is a foot for me.

 

[Gaolee]

Wait. What kinda box? Uh, ok. trouble is a foot for me.

Can't go there if you started there and never left.

Afoot? Dude! Shoes!

 

[JIO]

+1. Take heart, you have goods that are sought after. You're a bass player. You can chill, your gig is near.

Yes on all counts CB - we should all take a second or two to remember we belong to a very cool collective, being a musician/player. I saw Buddy Guy last night here in SF. The man is legendary and at 81 is sharp as a razor - what an amazing performer! I highly recommend seeing him if he is touring in your area. He's one of the last bluesman of his era left standing and his performance embodied the fusion of 'old-school' and in-the-moment 2019 contemporary. Bass player was the rock - big phat pillowy bass - locking with a very (too) loud kick (why do they do that?) At one point with eyes closed I imagined I was at a Miles show in the mid 70's - heavy blues/funk/rock/jazz... Buddy Guy. Blown away...

 

[GonePlaid]

Yes on all counts CB - we should all take a second or two to remember we belong to a very cool collective, being a musician/player. I saw Buddy Guy last night here in SF. The man is legendary and at 81 is sharp as a razor - what an amazing performer! I highly recommend seeing him if he is touring in your area. He's one of the last bluesman of his era left standing and his performance embodied the fusion of 'old-school' and in-the-moment 2019 contemporary. Bass player was the rock - big phat pillowy bass - locking with a very (too) loud kick (why do they do that?) At one point with eyes closed I imagined I was at a Miles show in the mid 70's - heavy blues/funk/rock/jazz... Buddy Guy. Blown away...

I played in a band in the early 70s that had exact copies of Chicago arrangements so I know the early bass lines. My daughter and I have been to about 10 Chicago concerts. I can see the bass man's(mostly Jason Scheff)fingers moving to those lines and all I hear is 'thump' from the kick.

 

[JIO]

I played in a band in the early 70s that had exact copies of Chicago arrangements so I know the early bass lines. My daughter and I have been to about 10 Chicago concerts. I can see the bass man's(mostly Jason Scheff)fingers moving to those lines and all I hear is 'thump' from the kick.

I hear it all the time at venues with all different kinds of music. The house pumps the kick-thud LOUD. It's cool, but always seems TOO present.

 

[Count Bassie]

There is no box.

Sure there is. If you don't have a limitation there is no need to create, no need to seek direction- and no tangible material to create with. One needs a premise, and those come with rules. And rules are made to be artfully broken.

It's going to be hard to do this over text...

 

[Chucky Stiletti]

You know, as far as which side of the stage to be on.................
It'd just be cool to be back on one. I wouldn't give a rats @$$ which side i was on.

I don't really care what side I'm on either...the advantage of being stage right is that you can look at the drummer and the neck of the bass at the same time and some folks like that....right hand drummers don't because they now have to turn their head away from the hi hat to look at you.....their problem..

 

[Count Bassie]

I don't really care what side I'm on either...the advantage of being stage right is that you can look at the drummer and the neck of the bass at the same time and some folks like that....right hand drummers don't because they now have to turn their head away from the hi hat to look at you.....their problem..

In my band I mostly ignore the drummer anyway. I listen to everything, but he's kind of in his own space. Don't love it, but that's this band, and you can't fix other people. Otherwise I'd have been fixed years ago!

 

[PillO]

There are "rules"- for keeping order- that are mostly unwritten... the rules are mostly just an agreement to seek an orderly expression of an idea among peers. This works when the people involved are somewhat accomplished on their axe, and have some agreed upon vision of their role within the group.
Mostly jazz is about interpretation, and that means improvisation. So in the 40s and 50s you got a lot of nimble, complicated melodies over the changes to "I Got Rhythm". Be-Bop. That melody was hidden within those chord changes, but you could derive a whole slew of new melodies from those I-VI-II-V chord changes also. And then soloists- even the whole rhythm section- would take it out of the box and run with it. It got absolutely crazy, and some ripping cool music came of it.
Lol, didn't mean to run out of the box...
Jazz is, in many different ways and with many different approaches, about interpretation of a musical idea. I guess.

That was insightful and informative. What the hell is it doing in Thunderbird club?

 

[Count Bassie]

That was insightful and informative. What the hell is it doing in Thunderbird club?

I forgot myself...

 

[Inky13]

My preference for stage right long predates playing in a Who tribute. In fact it goes back to 1971.View attachment 3387114

You went to Iroquois HS?

 

[Miles_ONeal]

I think tabs are (most?) confusing to those of us who read -- or have been able to read -- music. I used to read bass, treble and the 'C' clefs - mainly tenor which is used a lot for 'cello and alto (viola). These days I read music like a 3 year old, but it's still easier to follow than tabs. At least it's something which will improve with use.

I will use tabs to learn something I'm having a problem with, but that's very much for offline practice. I seldom try to read any more so those skills have backslidden. Chord charts, callouts, or play by ear for the most part if I don't know the song.

 

[Miles_ONeal]

I can think of several adjectives. There are entire clauses, too.

Most falling into the category known a few decades ago as "unprintable"?

 

[Miles_ONeal]

There is no box.

That's my line. well, God's actually...

 

[RedVee]

Thought maybe there was an adjective or something to go in front of it...

A Far North Vacuum ?

 

[Miles_ONeal]

Yes on all counts CB - we should all take a second or two to remember we belong to a very cool collective, being a musician/player. I saw Buddy Guy last night here in SF. The man is legendary and at 81 is sharp as a razor - what an amazing performer! I highly recommend seeing him if he is touring in your area. He's one of the last bluesman of his era left standing and his performance embodied the fusion of 'old-school' and in-the-moment 2019 contemporary. Bass player was the rock - big phat pillowy bass - locking with a very (too) loud kick (why do they do that?) At one point with eyes closed I imagined I was at a Miles show in the mid 70's - heavy blues/funk/rock/jazz... Buddy Guy. Blown away...

We saw Buddy last year at the Austin City Limits taping! Absolutely amazing show. And yeah, Orville Wright is perfect for Buddy's music. Quinn Sullivan is no slouch, either- was he there? Also, Buddy is 82 (83 in a couple of months).

 

[RedVee]

I've found that a lot of big band bass parts were obviously written as played by a left hand on a piano. Very weird intervals and such. In rehearsal, I'll read it 'as rotten' the first time, then make "adjustments".

I was going to look for piano sheet music to practice with.
Is there a better, readily available, alternative?

The other 'fun'(?)thing is there are some different "rules" for legit writing and jazz writing. Hafta put on the 'ole thinking cap' depending on which environment I'm in.[examples:in jazz offbeat 1/4 notes(or 1/8s tied offbeat or across the bar line) are short unless marked long; in legit they're full value.]

I’m only up to single notes of 1 2 or 4 beat duration, rests(?) & repeats.

But yeah, wish I started 40 years ago lol. But better late than never.