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Thunderbird Club

Here's the new bird, I figured that I should get some pics while it's still new and pretty!
 

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Dingwall discontinued the D-bird...
Oh no!?!?!?

Gibson lawsuit related ?
That's a shame. Gibson screwed up if it's because they were pressuring Dingwall. And, that's probably what happened.
Maybe it'll be back. Plans for a big D-Bird revival, what have you...

I suspect that they did receive a cease and desist letter. A C&D is very common.

It has been my experience that many corporate lawyers are not well versed in IP law and take the position that you can either fight or comply. Fighting someone with a registered trademark is going to be expensive; the words pyrrhic victory will be used. What many corporate lawyers won't do is phone the lawyer that sent the letter to ask - hey what's up with this, what do you want, can we work something out? IP Lawyers do this all the time because they understand that the C&D is the opening of a conversation.

Here is the cold hard calculus that a typical corporate lawyer will tell a client - How many do you make, how much do you make on each one? Here is how many you will have to make just to fight this out in court. A responsible CEO (who also is not well versed in IP) will then say kill the product and report that we have complied with the C&D.

In this case, it looks like the CEO also said - hey designers, come up with something that looks less like that and show it to the lawyer to see if he thinks this still infringes.


What did Gibson likely want? Probably a few points on what the dealer price is. But you can't make that demand in a C&D; there is probably a disappointed lawyer sitting by his phone thinking "all I wanted was 3% on the dealer price"


The law around Intellectual Property is complex. There are many lawyers that don't understand it well at all. If you have or deal with IP you really need specialist counsel. And for the Americans around here, the Constitution directs congress to make laws protecting it.

 
I am confused. At what point was Dylan's voice listenable? Uptalking and nasal - combining two grating characteristics does not cancel them out. In fact, there are grating synergies in that. Many good songs though.

American treasure? That isn't the best you got...o_O

Canuck is an insult? Well now I'm... Nope, still indifferent to the term. :D
Yikes... is Canuck an insult? That’s the name of the Vancouver hockey team....oh wait:banghead:
 
I suspect that they did receive a cease and desist letter. A C&D is very common.

It has been my experience that many corporate lawyers are not well versed in IP law and take the position that you can either fight or comply. Fighting someone with a registered trademark is going to be expensive; the words pyrrhic victory will be used. What many corporate lawyers won't do is phone the lawyer that sent the letter to ask - hey what's up with this, what do you want, can we work something out? IP Lawyers do this all the time because they understand that the C&D is the opening of a conversation.

Here is the cold hard calculus that a typical corporate lawyer will tell a client - How many do you make, how much do you make on each one? Here is how many you will have to make just to fight this out in court. A responsible CEO (who also is not well versed in IP) will then say kill the product and report that we have complied with the C&D.

In this case, it looks like the CEO also said - hey designers, come up with something that looks less like that and show it to the lawyer to see if he thinks this still infringes.


What did Gibson likely want? Probably a few points on what the dealer price is. But you can't make that demand in a C&D; there is probably a disappointed lawyer sitting by his phone thinking "all I wanted was 3% on the dealer price"


The law around Intellectual Property is complex. There are many lawyers that don't understand it well at all. If you have or deal with IP you really need specialist counsel. And for the Americans around here, the Constitution directs congress to make laws protecting it.


All I wanted was a Pepsi!
 
Thanks for the warm welcome! However, my Bird will be in hibernation for a while. After playing it I found out how much I love my Squier PJ and Fender 60s Jazz.
Once you find the right string match...you'll change your mind!;) I don't have that version of Epi Bird, but do try different strings. I love to love a few sets, but find that's limiting. I love the GHS PWs, but they don't work on any of my Birds. Often what I want t like on a bass doesn't do it justice and bring out the flavor as well as much as something I didn't think I would want to use. And of course, no one string is likely ideal on every bass.

Hang in there with it. I love my other basses. A lot. But there's something special about the T-birds I own.
 
I am confused. At what point was Dylan's voice listenable? Uptalking and nasal - combining two grating characteristics does not cancel them out. In fact, there are grating synergies in that.

Now that I have had some coffee and thought it over a little...

What if Dylan, Gordon Lightfoot, and Neil Young got together and did The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald....

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I’m putting together a fretless for my kid. I’d rather ask around here than post in GPo_O
Warmoth dinky P (Goncola top on mahogany), Warmoth wenge on roasted maple neck (angled head), Badass 2, P pickup TBD, but leaning toward trying the EMG active from my Pbird (and routing that for a Tbird PU)
Any recommendations on flatwounds?