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Thunderbird Club

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The bar is actually fairly large with high ceilings with booths and room for lots of drinking people (no food) - the performance space is at the far end and a fraction of the size of the bar area. Once in the performance space - it looks like you inadvertently ended up in the alley behind the bar, but maybe that is deliberate - a grungy industrial vibe. It has an awkward L shaped stage (floor risers) and no monitors on the dog-leg section. (?) So unless the band member standing there doesn't sing or wants to hear their fellow bandmates, it's ideal. (sarcasm) Sound is ok thanks to Paul the sound guy, who like I said is an ok guy. Clubs are closing in SF because of escalating real estate values so this particular club touts themselves as legendary, a 'surviver' and how all bands should feel lucky to play at their amazing facility. :)

Think about this for a second or two; you have a gig at 7:00 pm - on a Wednesday. You show up early and have all your kit on stage ready to go by no later than 6:45. Sound man shows at 7:30. It takes at least 10-15 mins to dial it in. (if it goes smoothly) So everyones start time is now off - and then one band stays on stage for an hr. (no joke - the same band that introduced every band members aunt & uncle and what they ate for breakfast) It is a sort of masochism that allows such... state of the union? Not all to this extreme, but yah.., that's what's goin' on in SF.
I'm sorry to hear that. I kinda thought things were better out your way.
None of the venues we play have a sound system[other than a ceiling speaker PA-"will the owner of the white Toyota......"]. One place we used to play put in a sound system(no sound man)that they charge the bands to use. We don't play there any more. We provide our own PA; these days 2 Bose L1's daisy chained. It's sufficient for the smallish restaurant/lounges and clubs we're booked in to, considering the age group-55+-that is our normal audience. They don't want loud, they want to be able to talk to each other without screaming. Also, that audience has a tendency to go home early-ish and are generally not big drinkers, which lowers the profit margin for the club. It does, however, have the side benefit of being an early gig-usually 6:30-9:30.
Many in our area have gone to weekends only for live music, all one-niters, or singles performing to tracks. Or karaoke. Or a DJ.
One club had a weekly Sunday afternoon jazz jam that was very popular. Players/singers would sit in but only the house trio got paid. But, the crowd was not spending enough on drinks, i.e., nursing 1 glass of white wine for 2 hours, so that the jazz jam is now 1 Sunday per month. The club that put in the PA used to have a weekly Tuesday night open mic/jam for charity(band got nothing-tips went to the charity). The nucleus considered it a "live" rehearsal to see how 'new' material would fly. That's been cut back to once or twice a month. All said, the live music scene in Southeast Florida is rather grim.
 
There are 2 venues here owned by a woman who states in their performance agreement that if a band plays a gig at another club within a ten mile radius, within six weeks of a gig at her venue, that band will have ended their relationship with her venues.

We talked about it at rhrsl the other night, and I commented that if they want to try and damage a thriving live music scene, that would be one way to do it. My response was visceral and concise...
I think that what I/we have to offer is also worthy, and don't need to come under heel for the privilege of bringing it into her bar.
It's deemed a desirable gig by the locals, but I think it's silliness.
Wow! That's ridiculous.
 
Sent my new Gibby T-Bird to my luthier to treat the neck and frets to a bit of his magic, and had nothing but my Gibson ES-335 and Epi Jack Casady to practice on for a couple days. Got my T-Bird back last night, and now I'm thinking that the others may hit the market soon. I've played pretty much everything in the past 10 years, long-scale and short, and the Gibson Thunderbird is the best. Sounds great. Looks great. Light weight. Perfectly balanced. Quick and easy neck to play. (My T-Bird nirvana: 2019 Gibson T-Bird, TI jazz flats, black pickguard w/ gold logo, Gibson gold top-hat knobs, Fender Rumble 200 v3 w/ all EQ set to 12 o'clock and set to "vintage" voicing)
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The gold knobs are icing on the cake. That looks perfect.
 
I'm sorry to hear that. I kinda thought things were better out your way.
None of the venues we play have a sound system[other than a ceiling speaker PA-"will the owner of the white Toyota......"]. One place we used to play put in a sound system(no sound man)that they charge the bands to use. We don't play there any more. We provide our own PA; these days 2 Bose L1's daisy chained. It's sufficient for the smallish restaurant/lounges and clubs we're booked in to, considering the age group-55+-that is our normal audience. They don't want loud, they want to be able to talk to each other without screaming. Also, that audience has a tendency to go home early-ish and are generally not big drinkers, which lowers the profit margin for the club. It does, however, have the side benefit of being an early gig-usually 6:30-9:30.
Many in our area have gone to weekends only for live music, all one-niters, or singles performing to tracks. Or karaoke. Or a DJ.
One club had a weekly Sunday afternoon jazz jam that was very popular. Players/singers would sit in but only the house trio got paid. But, the crowd was not spending enough on drinks, i.e., nursing 1 glass of white wine for 2 hours, so that the jazz jam is now 1 Sunday per month. The club that put in the PA used to have a weekly Tuesday night open mic/jam for charity(band got nothing-tips went to the charity). The nucleus considered it a "live" rehearsal to see how 'new' material would fly. That's been cut back to once or twice a month. All said, the live music scene in Southeast Florida is rather grim.

The wife and I tried to catch some live music while we were in Cape Coral/Ft. Myers and it didn't go well. Not being local to the area, we checked Facebook for Live Music events in the area and found a place, don't ask me the name, that had what we were looking for so we headed that way. From the parking lot we heard the music and got excited for an evening out "with the locals", having a few beers and listening to live music.

We took one or two steps into the bar and did an about-face and went back out. The cigarette smoke hung 3 feet off the ceiling and hit us like a ton of bricks. There was no way that we could be in that place. It was awful and yes, I'm an ex-smoker of 18 years. We went back to the events page and found another place to try and it too was just packed with smokers and was inhospitable to human life. :roflmao:

I have never had that happen while on vacation before and while bar-hopping. Florida is a special place... that's for sure and I have never been been more grateful to have smoke free bars, music venues and restaurants in Michigan.
 
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Im back and forth on details for my next build. Ive got a pair of emg tbhz pups but, Im thinking about doing something like a nikki sixx hamer/spector bird with p/j pups. Id take opinions on the merits of each and what company makes the best set. Probably want to stay passive.

For reference, Ive owned a gibson shortscale bird, epi bird, spector legend 4x, and dingwall d bird. The dingwall was the best in every aspect but, when slung low, the low string got to be a left hand stretch. Im looking for a punchy lowmid sound when using a pick and fully dropped to d.
 
The wife and I tried to catch some live music while we were in Cape Coral/Ft. Myers and it didn't go well. Not being local to the area, we checked Facebook for Live Music events in the area and found a place, don't ask me the name, that had what we were looking for so we headed that way. From the parking lot we heard the music and got excited for an evening out "with the locals", having a few beers and listening to live music.

We took one or two steps into the bar and did an about-face and went back out. The cigarette smoke hung 3 feet off the ceiling and hit us like a ton of bricks. There was no way that we could be in that place. It was awful and yes, I'm an ex-smoker of 18 years. We went back to the events page and found another place to try and it too was just packed with smokers and was inhospitable to human life. :roflmao:

I have never had that happen while on vacation before and while bar-hopping. Florida is a special place... that's for sure and I have never been been more grateful to have smoke free bars and restaurants in Michigan.
One of the places we play has a separate bar for smokers-well divided and has its own ac system.
I, too, am an ex smoker and can't handle that atmosphere any longer. FL rules apparently allow smoking in an establishment that is not a restaurant-bar food(whatever that is)being the exception.
 
I wonder if I know that place...

I haven't visited SF in a couple of years. And when I visit, I am on business so a late night out is not an option.



Maybe not such a bad deal...

IF she wants you to play her venues exclsuively, that is OK as long as she provides gigs weekly (or bi-weekly, whatever schedule you choose). And since you are performing there exclusively, you are employees not contractors, so she provides benefits, pays payroll tax, vacation pay, etc.
Right!
Alas, no.
 
I don't like how on my main player the silks are sitting right on the saddles. Maybe it doesn't matter as much with tapewounds. Can't tell.....no control group. Also noticed that on the other end... the cheapo nut lost a chip on the g string groove but string stays put. Maybe I will get a better one. Also the action seemed not as good as it was :woot: Alas the neck was bowing a bit, so after I finally found a 5/16 wrench that would fit... I gave it a 120 degree tweak. Then after messing with every screw on the bridge and retuning her over and over for 45 minutes...she plays and sounds correct again. It's like having a pet or something.
 
The bar is actually fairly large with high ceilings with booths and room for lots of drinking people (no food) - the performance space is at the far end and a fraction of the size of the bar area. Once in the performance space - it looks like you inadvertently ended up in the alley behind the bar, but maybe that is deliberate - a grungy industrial vibe. It has an awkward L shaped stage (floor risers) and no monitors on the dog-leg section. (?) So unless the band member standing there doesn't sing or wants to hear their fellow bandmates, it's ideal. (sarcasm) Sound is ok thanks to Paul the sound guy, who like I said is an ok guy. Clubs are closing in SF because of escalating real estate values so this particular club touts themselves as legendary, a 'surviver' and how all bands should feel lucky to play at their amazing facility. :)

Think about this for a second or two; you have a gig at 7:00 pm - on a Wednesday. You show up early and have all your kit on stage ready to go by no later than 6:45. Sound man shows at 7:30. It takes at least 10-15 mins to dial it in. (if it goes smoothly) So everyones start time is now off - and then one band stays on stage for an hr. (no joke - the same band that introduced every band members aunt & uncle and what they ate for breakfast) It is a sort of masochism that allows such... state of the union? Not all to this extreme, but yah.., that's what's goin' on in SF.
Seattle has a couple of places like that in the Fremont area....folks basically jump on stage (no rear stage door) do their set and jump off..chop chop...pretty entertaining...don't know how true it is but someone told me that's how the Eddie Vedder trend of jumping onto the crowd originated in those bars..
 
There are 2 venues here owned by a woman who states in their performance agreement that if a band plays a gig at another club within a ten mile radius, within six weeks of a gig at her venue, that band will have ended their relationship with her venues.

We talked about it at rhrsl the other night, and I commented that if they want to try and damage a thriving live music scene, that would be one way to do it. My response was visceral and concise...
I think that what I/we have to offer is also worthy, and don't need to come under heel for the privilege of bringing it into her bar.
It's deemed a desirable gig by the locals, but I think it's silliness.

I think someone in Austin tried that. Didn't last long at all.
 
I see a lot of live music. I probably go to bars and music venues 2-3 times a month and some months more than that. That being said, I have never seen a tip jar which makes me think, it must not be a Michigan thing.

If there's a cover charge or an actual ticket involved, I can't see myself tipping the band. "Free music" would get a tip if I'm enjoying what they're doing though.

And yet some bars charge a cover, but the band still plays for tips. It's obscene.
 
Using this math logic, that means that my spending 40% of the cost of my Classic Pro on Hipshot tuners and bridge makes my bass 240% better. That calculation is correct, right? :laugh:
Nope. It makes it either 16% better or 196% better, depending on whether you follow Dave Ramsey or that crazy stock guy on TV.
 

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