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Thunderbird Club

Not the Greco.
Didn't get much of a weekend to enjoy the '64 as I had to work a good part of the day today, got home with just enough time to get cleaned up for my dinner date. What an amazing bass, it's very light and resonant, very nice growl from some old Rounds........

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I hope you have my experience that it will sound much better live in a decent size room. I believe I mentioned before that mine sounds very unremarkable at home. Most all my basses sound better that it does at home. But live and in a big room is where the magic happens. I was trying to think while using it last Sunday what characteristic makes the magic and I can't say what it is. Bit it is there. But there's something going on no other bass I've ever owned had/has. Anxious for a gig report on this piece of art and history.
 
On my right hand, I can move the tip of each finger independently. Because of the (suspected) nerve injury and muscle atrophy, I could no longer move the tip of my index finger and tip of my thumb. The tendon that moves the tip of my thumb was relocated to the brachioradialis. That means that every time I flex my bicep, my thumb flexes.:wacky: My flexor digitorum profundus for my index finger (D2) was weaved to my middle finger (D3) so those two are now under the control of 1 muscle instead of individual muscles. So I can move my fingers independently at the knuckle and first joint but are not independent at the second joint.

Hands are complicated. No wonder so many people have trouble drawing them.

That means that every time I flex my bicep, my thumb flexes.


The same crazy thing happens to Bubba J. Weird how that works.
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Hands are indeed very complicated. Not only is there a lot (really, really a lot) going on, it's all happening in very confined spaces. Truly an engineering marvel.
 
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yep, as much as there are other killer Birds out there nothing comes close to a 60's.....hard to get this across if one hasn't played one...incredibly light, slim....BODACIOUS sounding.....FME, if anything comes remotely close it would be a Greco...(disclaimer; have never played a VP)...
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The VP is really close, but doesn't have the heft and presence of the '64. They lack a little in the lows. Second best thing I've played. But I have never played a Greco.
 
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Just got home and put on the guard. Only a few holes didn't line up thankfully. Have to say, it might now be an Ebony VP standard to swap out.... it looks so much better than stock white
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That does look sweet! I might follow your lead.

mine didn’t quite line up on the Epiphone CP, I had to move it back to make it look even, You can see a couple exposed holes I need to fill, but no big deal for me.
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You goofball, the reason it doesn't fit is because your Epiphone CP is actually a Gibson. I’m pretty sure I read that here on Talkbass.;)

George, you’re making me like gold hardware! I usually “don’t care for it” (as my sister in law used to say).:D How is it looking for weight?
With everything on it except the string tree it weighs in at 8 pounds 8 ounces. Not bad at all for a three pup layout. No doubt the semi hollow body helps.
 
I hope you have my experience that it will sound much better live in a decent size room. I believe I mentioned before that mine sounds very unremarkable at home. Most all my basses sound better that it does at home. But live and in a big room is where the magic happens. I was trying to think while using it last Sunday what characteristic makes the magic and I can't say what it is. Bit it is there. But there's something going on no other bass I've ever owned had/has. Anxious for a gig report on this piece of art and history.

The '64 does sound pretty nice in the spare bedroom through my show rig, but I think you're correct, it probably will sound great at a show. FWIW my '76 are very much that way, only worse in the spare bedroom setting, they just want a big amp and some volume.
 
I might have missed it, but did you take a pic of the harness? Or do you have a schematic? (or both?)
Here’s the BlingBird schematic I designed. Sorry about the rough sketch, it was just kinda scribbled down on paper as I thought through how to maximize tone options and minimize the number of knobs…
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After some research I arrived at the conclusion that Fender solved that issue in the early 1960’s. Basically one stacked volume/tone stack per pup, repeat as necessary for each pup. The problem with Fenders design is it was for single coil Jazz basses so it utilized a 250k tone pot, not a great solution for humbuckers.

I decided to try a 1Meg stacked pot at the neck position (Mudbucker location on this bass) to pass a nearly full signal and hopefully counteract the inherent muddyness of that pup location. The Fender stacked pot design also dictates a 250ohm resistor on the hot output of each stack to keep the different tone stacks from cross bleeding. So that knocks a bit of the top end off (which on a 1meg pot isn’t a problem, but might be on a 500 or 250k pot). Finally I decided to use a .047 cap as a starting point, I may keep that as is or switch to .022 for a bit brighter tone or .068 for a darker tone.

It’s still early but so far the only thing I’m not completely satisfied with is the brand of stacked pot selected. I went with Alpha pots because I couldn’t find a CTS or Bourn pot with the right combination of resistance/taper/thread length. Alpha pots have never been my first choice as I find them a bit flimsy compared to CTS and other pots and they are a very open body design that invites dirt and dust. If you find a non alpha stacked pot that is 1meg ohm, audio taper on the vol half and linear taper on the tone half, and has enough thread length to work in a through body (vs control plate) design I’d be very very interested.
 
The '64 does sound pretty nice in the spare bedroom through my show rig, but I think you're correct, it probably will sound great at a show. FWIW my '76 are very much that way, only worse in the spare bedroom setting, they just want a big amp and some volume.

I have only done it a couple times when I’m left alone in the howse, (I’m not allowed often) but I have been using my crappy wireless or a a long cable and playing across the hall from the music room. It nice to let a big rig breathe. I still can’t tell if I like my xc808 or pr410 more…