A decent drummer shouldn't need to actually hear a beat to keep it. He just knows where it is.
For that matter, same goes for a bass-player...
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Timing is everything.
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A decent drummer shouldn't need to actually hear a beat to keep it. He just knows where it is.
For that matter, same goes for a bass-player...
oddly, thats not the issue here. what you say is correct. But we got stuck on pedantry instead of just playing through the song. we didnt get that far, lol. he's telling me to keep my timing on the h/h when i am saying i can't hear the h/h. In any case, the irony of the situation is that we only had one spot to disagree on, the final break and the count in. We both started to count from different spots and came to the same start. I am not here to vent or disparage my " friend". Everyone is different i accept that. Partly my fault, I accept that. I am really here to learn and see what the actual dynamics are. H/H, side stick or bass drum, which one is appropriate.
Let me put another perspective on this. It had nothing to do with us playing the song. We never had issues playing together. It was a disagreement on an MP3 song and what i was supposed to follow for timing. He internalised the issue where as i am happy to have been proven wrong.
If i was quick enough i should of said you play the h/h and i will follow what you play. But in the heat of the moment you kinda lose perspective. Totally insane and stupid argument because of a stupid song.
I was a drummer long before I was a bass player and I hear hi hats in songs that sound like clicks all the time. A drummer can change the sound of his hats by foot pressure, where they hit the cymbals, how they're mic'd, compressed, material, etc., same things that control bass tone can be applied to drum tone. Also, the bass drum doesn't always start on the 1.
Yea Black, i have no issues actually playing with a drummer. Playing live i dont have issues hearing stuff. This was all over a 20yr old recording where the h/h is mixed so far down i couldnt hear it initially.
Fact is, he's the drummer, he was correct, you may not be able to hear it but he can. Just call him up and tell him you were wrong, he was right. Everyone's sensitivity is set differently. If you want to keep playing with him, owning up that you were wrong can go a long way.
I have to wonder about a business partnership that can be so quickly dissolved over a hi hat in a recording. There has to be more to the story.
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The drummer controls timing. He wrote you that letter because you are a giant red flag. He's a pretty smart guy to get out now.
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If you are going to get in a huge right over something like this, you shouldn't be in a band together (or in a band, period).
Must not have been that deep of a relationship with your drummer. I’ve always found that in most cases doing dead on copies of highly polished, highly engineered recordings with a lot more tracks than you have players in your ensemble, played by the best musicians available, is somewhat like chasing at windmills.
To get hung up over something so trivial over what technique is carrying the beat on the recording is absurd. The important thing in your case is not what is on the record, it’s way more important how your drummer is going to keep meter in your band.
Lighten up there fella. Let the guy do his job. Now, if the guy can’t do the job, that’s another ball of wax.
I have a suspicion that the OP has been annoying the drummer for a while and this was the-straw-that-broke-the-camel's-back sort of incident.
It's either that or the drummer is bat-crap-crazy. Nothing else really makes sense.
It's either that or the drummer is bat-crap-crazy. Nothing else really makes sense.
Element Zero and https://www.talkbass.com/members/hardnheavy.261763/ covered it for you: hi-hats = clock! if you don't audibly hear the hats = you hear them in your head. hats are important to hear (audibly or in your head) because they tell you exactly where the downbeat is (1 count)...without having to play the downbeat! it's pretty basic stuff and most bass players react and play to the hats without thinking about it.
you not hearing the hats in a recording doesn't mean much --- your drummer did! that's what counts!
you not hearing the hats in a recording doesn't mean much --- your drummer did! that's what counts!
Another tragic chunk of time wasted to Whitney Houston. Spending so much time and energy debating something so stupid was your first problem. Im angry with myself i spent any time reading this.
just find a pocket and sit in it. who cares if theres hi hat on the recording, YOU'RE playing it now. Geez.
yeah that's my response. It's probably not a reaction to the subject of the argument, but the behavior and attitude you brought to the disagreement. The drummer has probably encountered others who would rather be argue and be right than drop ego and cooperate smoothly, and knows where that ends up.
Playing nicely with others is a musical skill in my book - right up there with hitting the correct downbeat.
Something worth practicing, especially if you are not good at it.
Written by Dolly her version has more verses I believe that eventually made it into the Whitney one in the film
Ummm...the high hat yes/no is not the issue here sir. Just sayin'.
The thing that jumps out at me is over an hour was spent trying to sync a click track to a recording? I'm annoyed and I wasn't even there.
