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Discussion in 'Miscellaneous [BG]' started by soong, Jul 10, 2018.


  1. soong

    soong

    May 10, 2007
    Sydney
    Some thoughts of mine and a reshare of the MU's flowchart...

    1. Don't be afraid to say no, or to ask what the gig pays.
    2. Music students and weekend warriors: STOP taking $50 and a meal gigs. It'll hurt you in the end and KILLS our industry.
    3. Don't feel guilty about saying no to a charity you don't support.
    4. For the P&W guys: 'It's for ministry' DOESN'T necessarily mean you do the gig for free. The worker deserves his wages.
    5. 'Exposure' will not pay your rent or put food on the table.
    6. KNOW your worth.

    A gig will be worth doing if it has at least 2/3 of these 'M's:

    Good music
    Good money
    Good musicians

     
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  2. Stumbo

    Stumbo Wherever you go, there you are. Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 11, 2008
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    DJs and karaoke have taken an uncountable number of gigs "away" from professional musicians and musicians in general.

    Someone playing for $50 and a meal is not the cause of the state of the live music industry.

    Here's a pic of the "entertainment" for a birthday party I recently attended.

    One guy with one girlfriend, one sub, one tower, one mixer, one microphone and a few CDs. And, he was a terrible DJ, unintelligible, the volume was extremely loud with crappy tone, wires were shorting, no mixing, breaks between songs, all mid-bass.

    Side notes: Based on other recent experiences, I think a lot of these DJs are going deaf because they don't wear ear plugs.

    Oh, as I was leaving, it actually sounded better outside the building, about 50 feet way.

    How many kids do you know that are putting in the practice time to become professional musicians?

    Especially when you see and hear of people making millions on YouTube as life style hosts and commentators.

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  3. rllefebv

    rllefebv

    Oct 17, 2000
    Newberg, Oregon
    You’re free to do as you please... I am a big enough boy to decide when, where, and why I play.

    -robert
     
  4. RoadRanger

    RoadRanger Supporting Member

    Feb 18, 2004
    NE CT
    You forget #1: Have a good day job.
     
  5. Reedt2000

    Reedt2000 Supporting Member

    Apr 26, 2017
    Central New Jersey
    Real talk right here :thumbsup:
     
  6. mongo2

    mongo2

    Feb 17, 2008
    Da Shaw
    I couldn't care less about pay. I play gigs because I like to make music with others for others. Someday I won't able to do so. Until then, I'm going to play as much as I can.
     
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  7. jasmangan

    jasmangan

    Jul 13, 2008
    Meh, I’ll settle for 1/3
     
  8. saabfender

    saabfender

    Jan 10, 2018
    Indianapolis
    I have to agree. Over the years, my competition for getting a good take on a job is not DJs or karaoke, it's bands who'll work for nothing.
     
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  9. saltydude

    saltydude

    Aug 15, 2011
    CANADA
    Scene is saturated. At least around here. Back in the 80’s there was like 3 or 4 cats who played bass in town and most people knew who they were. Now there’s more bands and people playing (with significant talent) than you can shake a stick at.
     
  10. eJake

    eJake

    May 22, 2011
    New Orleans
    So is it ok for me (all income by music) to take the 50 and a meal?
     
  11. soong

    soong

    May 10, 2007
    Sydney
    Again, this post is not for 'bass players' but for WORKING bass players.

    The assumption is, you're not.
     
  12. Which is of course the point the OP and many others are making.

    It's not that I don't understand your motivation. I do. But your "hobby" isn't helping others get paid fairly for their efforts. There are also many opportunities to play for tips alone that don't compete with venues where bands book.
     
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  13. eJake

    eJake

    May 22, 2011
    New Orleans
    I'm confused. I am a working bass player. Are you mad at me for taking 50 and a meal?
     
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  14. It depends? If it's three sets in a club on a Saturday for 500 people, then yes, I'm mad at you. : D
     
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  15. D.A.R.K.

    D.A.R.K. Supporting Member

    Aug 20, 2003
    Virginia
    It's 2018 (um, not 2017 as I originally posted lol), sorry, as far as pay goes the guys 20 years ago who would work for the same amount they did 30 years ago already blew it. The whole "ruin it for the full timers" is invalid, unless you consider crappy bar gigs the upper echelon of work. The industry is already ruined.
     
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  16. donahue

    donahue Supporting Member

    Jun 10, 2015
    Oregon
    I'd love to get $50 and a meal. Where are those high paying gigs?
     
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  17. Element Zero

    Element Zero Supporting Member

    Dec 14, 2016
    California
    This. Oh so much this.
     
  18. the slug

    the slug man, why the long face Supporting Member

    May 21, 2014
    really? you can get fed along with the 50 bucks? sign me up
     
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  19. I agree with most of this except the killing the industry part.

    It’s already dead
     
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  20. TheBear

    TheBear Bergantino Artist, Vibe9 IEM Artist Supporting Member

    Jun 15, 2008
    Austin, TX
    Wholeheartedly agree on all points but #2: I believe that what's killing "our" industry is the dramatic fall of income revenue from recorded music and the assumed solution to rest the lion's share of music income on live performances and merch. Whether it'll eventually be the end of the financial side of the music industry or rather just a re-orientation to a new normal remains to be seen. However, hobbyists and weekend warriors taking insultingly low pay for weekend gigs doesn't really help establish precedent of getting paid a normal pay scale for shows.
     
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