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Tutmarc audiovox model 736: where are they?

Very nice. How do you like those rubber band strings? I did something similar with a Stratocaster body.

I converted my Audiovox logo to a vector graphic, so it prints razor-sharp and smooth. Unfortunately, this dumb board won't allow me to upload it. Anyone know a way around that?
 
It's taken me a while to get around to posting my photos of the replica I built of the Tutmarc 736 Bass. I became fascinated with this bass in 2013, and dreamed that I could make one! The final trigger was seeing a photo of Paul Tutmarc in his workshop. I was a complete novice. In late 2013 I took a basic carpentry course and built a pine tool box. In the first half of 2014 I built a replica 1960s P-Bass in a course run by Melbourne Luthier David Searle (DJS Guitars). David is a great teacher. He took me through every step as I planed the neck, sawed the frets etc. In the second half of 2014 I took David's course again, bought the walnut, a pre-cut ebony fret board, some sheets of copper and brass and away we went. The brilliant Peter Biltoft (Invalid Link Removed) made a replica pickup. I sent him what specs I knew plus this link to the Patent document from Arthur Stimson (www.google.com/patents/US2078350). He made a custom split coil humbucker bass pickup with Bar magnets, two blade pole pieces separated by a piece of non-metallic material. I chose to position the pickup in the "middle" position as seen on the white painted model in the Seattle museum. I also put in an audio socket, rather than having a fixed audio lead. I was a great experience! I wondered what it would sound like: a short scale, humbucker, with flatwounds: sounds to me like A Gibson EB3! Jack Bruce baby!

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I really like the polypropylene strings, gives it a more of an upright bass sound. You can't upload a vector graphic, you have to save it as a jpg, but it should still be nice and clean. The logo I made from your original is a vector.

I didn't think you used mine. Yours looks a lot different. The board won't take a zip either, only jpegs. Oh well. I made some very nice other logos into svgs for future projects. I like putting the old logo on something new. I'm not trying to pass off fakes, my builds are things that the manufacturer has never done.
 
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Here is Luthier David Searle playing my 2014 replica of the Tutmarc 736 Bass.
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Looks like you really nailed the reproduction, right down to the pickup and the guitar tuners. I've got some more Tutmarc's in the works, but they are more 'inspired by' than reproductions, as the original model has quite a few shortcomings. If the Tutmarcs had worked at refining their design, they might have come up with something much more popular.
 
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?...the original model has quite a few shortcomings. If the Tutmarcs had worked at refining their design, they might have come up with something much more popular.
The luthier I worked with made the brass bridge to have a slightly compensating angle, to give better intonation. I also imagine the Tutmarc original pickup would add more weight, what with that horshoe magnet. Apart from that, if I was to "improve" the design I would make the neck wider (increase to 1.5 inch at the nut) and the strings pull more in straight line behind the nut. The sound is really good, the ebony nut works fine. I love the walnut and the 'Art Deco' styling of the body, scratchplate and headstock. On a related topic: I had read that Paul Tutmarc's son put the date of the first basses as 1936, pehaps this is why the bass model is a "736", and the amp is a "936"...
 
The luthier I worked with made the brass bridge to have a slightly compensating angle, to give better intonation. I also imagine the Tutmarc original pickup would add more weight, what with that horshoe magnet. Apart from that, if I was to "improve" the design I would make the neck wider (increase to 1.5 inch at the nut) and the strings pull more in straight line behind the nut. The sound is really good, the ebony nut works fine. I love the walnut and the 'Art Deco' styling of the body, scratchplate and headstock. On a related topic: I had read that Paul Tutmarc's son put the date of the first basses as 1936, pehaps this is why the bass model is a "736", and the amp is a "936"...

"Art Deco" - that's exactly what it is. Something like this works much better:

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I have several of these necks and bodies roughed-out, and they feel much better than my first one, much better balanced. I knew that banjo neck would never play well, which is why I used a standard Fender profile on my first one. Banjos are made for picking. Intonation is one of those things where close is good enough, and with only 16 frets, I doubt it will ever be a problem. You'll be forever wiping smudges off that copper pickguard. I would shine it up and clear-coat it. Make a brass headstock tag and print out a waterslide decal to put on it. I posted the graphic above.

Your first one looks great.
 
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A 105 plays just fine at 30 inches. You can easily find these things out by capo-ing your long-scale bass at whatever fret and then re-tuning it to EADG.

First fret = 32 inches, second fret = 30 inches, etc ... fifth fret = 25.5 inches.

At 25.5 inches, I find a 125 works well, a 105 does not work at all. Heavier strings at such a short scale begin to feel more like solid bars - extremely stiff. Tuning and intonation for a super-short 25.5" bass are very touchy, which is a good reason you don't find them. A standard short-scale has no such issues.

String tensions from D'Addario:

E A D G
scale 0.105 0.085 0.070 0.050 total
34.0 40.3 48.4 60.1 53.4 202.2
32.0 35.7 42.9 53.2 47.3 179.1
30.3 32.0 38.4 47.7 42.4 160.5


Note that a 34" 125 tuned to low-B is E at the fifth fret = 25.5" scale.

Most of the people who don't like short-scales have probably never really tried one. * Leo Fender was wrong when he selected the 34" scale. He was trying to please double-bass players, who were already used to a scale length that does not fit a human hand. There is an acoustic reason for that on an acoustic bass that originally used gut strings, but there is no reason to carry that over to an electric instrument with wire strings.

* If you don't actually own a short-scale bass, then don't even reply - you're one of the people I'm talking about !!!​

Very few musical instruments are not made to fit human dimensions, and when they are, it is always for some reason related to acoustics and tuning that probably does not apply to an electric. Another example - the tuba. Or try to imagine a bass trombone - it would probably require two people to operate, one to hold his end and blow, and the other to (literally) run the slide in and out.

I much prefer 32 and 30 inch scales, especially now that my hands are older and less flexible. After a few experiments with different strings, I have built a couple of 25.5" basses that play just fine, and feel great in your hands. I skipped the in-between scales 28.5 & 27, because for a 25.5" I could use an off-the shelf guitar neck rather than have to build it from scratch. I expect with the right strings, either of those scales would work just as well. 30-inch became popular I think because it is the shortest scale that can use standard-weight strings.

How do I know all this?

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It is not just theory. All of the Strats are short-scales. The block neck is 25.5", the red JM is 32". Fretless 30" 4th from the left; 30" Bass VI 3rd from left, 21" 'Uke' scale at right. 5th from the left is a "Bass IV" that uses super-lightweight strings ( basically the lower 4 from a Bass VI set ) to balance a Strat tremolo mechanism. The tremolo on the Bass VI is over-tight and doesn't really function. There are a few standard long-scales as well, and an odd 12-string. A 24-fret 30" neck is roughly the same overall length as a 20-fret 34" neck, the difference is the bridge placement. The big advantage of a double-octave 30" neck is that you can bolt it onto a guitar body without having to move the bridge. Many of these use guitar-sized headstocks so as not to unbalance the guitar-sized body.

Scale is similar for guitars. Standard guitar scale is 25" plus or minus 1/2" - that covers everything from Fender to Gibson. People obsess over the difference between a 25.5" Fender and a 24.who-knows-what Gibson, but overall the differences really are minor. Drop to 24 inches, though, and it begins to feel cramped, and by the time you get down to kiddie-scale 22.5", you start wishing for a longer neck. The sweet spot to fit a human hand is clearly around 25 inches.

27 and 28.5 inch baritones feel fine, but to tune them up to standard EADGBE guitar tuning would require strings that would probably feel very strange, and would likely be very fragile as well. Note that at 28.5", the difference between a baritone and a bass vi is just the choice of strings. 28.5" 4-string basses have been made, but I have never played one. Mandolins, ukuleles, and banjos have different scale lengths, but all still fit human hands. Only the 34" bass scale requires such stretches and contortions.

One thing that is funny is putting down one scale length an immediately picking up another, especially if they are far apart. It takes a minute or two for my left hand to re-program itself and the fingers go to the right places. Playing a short-scale should be no different than playing a few frets up the neck of a long-scale, but somehow it is.

One area where I think a super-short scale is a detriment is fretless. The longer the scale of a fretless instrument, the smaller the relative errors in fingering. My 30" fretless plays fine, but I made the 20" uke fretted for this reason - I don't see how you could find the notes. Yes, fretless is a matter of ear, but you still have to find the right spot on the neck, and that spot gets very small on a micro scale. On the other hand, people play violins. That is probably why a bad violin player sounds so awful, while a bad double-bass player can get away with it. But again, acoustic vs electric, bass vs tenor, gut vs wire - all apples and oranges.
 
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Drop to 24 inches, though, and it begins to feel cramped, and by the time you get down to kiddie-scale 22.5", you start wishing for a longer neck.

I disagree completely, I have medium+ sized hands, I'm 5'-10" and since I never played standard size basses before, my 21-24" scales feel very comfortable to me, not cramped at all and very easy to reach all the frets. Intonation is very good too, especially when using Road Toad polypropylene strings rather than the Aquila Thunderguts, but even my steel string mini basses are good.
 
Just stopping in to visit this thread. I knew my friend Kohanmike would be here to show off his new Tutmarc inspired uke bass! Some nice designs in here and great workmanship! My hats off to you all! I wanted to say a bit about scale length and my experience. I play 34", 33 1/4", 32", 30" and 18" scale with no issues. I have no problems with 34" scale instruments, in fact they feel quite normal to me. But I have played that scale length for a long time so it should be familiar territory. I played 30" almost exclusively for a time and found it to be comfortable also. My 33 1/4 Rick 4003s and my Fender Tbucket acoustic with 32" scale are also very nice and easy to play. When I got my kala fretless acoustic ubass I found it very easy to play and it took literally a day for me to be comfortable enough with it to use it in a band setting. But it took literally years of playing to be at that point. I guess what I'm trying to say is play what works for you. If the Uke basses are your thing then by all means use it to great effect and enjoy the learning journey. They are in my opinion very versatile instruments that don't get enough credit for what they can do. I've used mine for classic rock, blues or virtually anything! They can work pretty well with effects I found out recently also! My heart is really with the longer scale basses, mainly my Rickenbacker and sometimes my Precision and Epiphone Jack Casady. Can't say any of the scale lengths are better than the other, they all work and do what they are intended to do. After all variety is the spice of life. Except with women according to my wife.
 
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I disagree completely, I have medium+ sized hands, I'm 5'-10" and since I never played standard size basses before, my 21-24" scales feel very comfortable to me, not cramped at all and very easy to reach all the frets. Intonation is very good too, especially when using Road Toad polypropylene strings rather than the Aquila Thunderguts, but even my steel string mini basses are good.

You're not trying to make chords on that bass, are you? Try cramming all your fingers together halfway up a 22.5" guitar neck. Then try to go higher. That's what I was talking about. My little uke-scale bass plays pretty well too, at least up to the octave. Beyond that, I consider to be mostly for show on that instrument. To tell the truth, I don't really care for the rubber strings. It was an interesting experiment, and my first time messing with piezos.

Intonation with those rubber strings ... I'm not even sure the concept applies. Try bending a note with rubber strings. You can't, it just doesn't work. They are a completely different animal. But it does get very touchy with shorter heavier metal strings. And tuning on the 25" bass is very fast - just a tiny tweak and you've overshot it. Bothersome, really. But 30 and 32 inch basses behave basically like 34 inch ones, except they are easier to play.
 
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Just stopping in to visit this thread. I knew my friend Kohanmike would be here to show off his new Tutmarc inspired uke bass! Some nice designs in here and great workmanship! My hats off to you all! I wanted to say a bit about scale length and my experience. I play 34", 33 1/4", 32", 30" and 18" scale with no issues. I have no problems with 34" scale instruments, in fact they feel quite normal to me. But I have played that scale length for a long time so it should be familiar territory. I played 30" almost exclusively for a time and found it to be comfortable also. My 33 1/4 Rick 4003s and my Fender Tbucket acoustic with 32" scale are also very nice and easy to play. When I got my kala fretless acoustic ubass I found it very easy to play and it took literally a day for me to be comfortable enough with it to use it in a band setting. But it took literally years of playing to be at that point. I guess what I'm trying to say is play what works for you. If the Uke basses are your thing then by all means use it to great effect and enjoy the learning journey. They are in my opinion very versatile instruments that don't get enough credit for what they can do. I've used mine for classic rock, blues or virtually anything! They can work pretty well with effects I found out recently also! My heart is really with the longer scale basses, mainly my Rickenbacker and sometimes my Precision and Epiphone Jack Casady. Can't say any of the scale lengths are better than the other, they all work and do what they are intended to do. After all variety is the spice of life. Except with women according to my wife.

Here Here !!! Yes, if you like long scales, then by all means play a long scale. I had only a 4001 for a long time. My first short-scale was a Danelectro Longhorn, which is actually somewhat less than 30 inches, about 29.5. The Ric is more a long scale than a medium, but still not as long as a Fender. Eventually I got a Jazz, and later started building short-scales, and found that I really like them better. I can play a long scale just fine, unless it is something wacky that cramps my hand, which is not as young as it used to be. But the shorts are much more fun - effortless, small, and light. Most of my shorts also use narrower string spacing, and once I got used to that, I found I could even thumb and pluck them, something which for many years with the Ric I just didn't do.

My original point was: if Fender had gone with a 30" scale like Tutmarc did, no one in their right mind would have then invented the unnatural and uncomfortable 34" scale. He had his reasons, but they had nothing to do with building the best possible instrument. And Fender did successfully court the double-bass players, while Tutmarc failed. Betamax was better than VHS too. Fender's legacy is an over-sized instrument that is fundamentally not suited to human anatomy. But then, that's job security for anyone who can manage it - because your wimpy guitarist with his weak little hands can't play the beast, starting with John Lennon and George Harrison.
 
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