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#81
Southpaw5 said:
I find you example to be insulting, the "therapist" you are referencing is either fictional or not a professional.
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Fictional? Man, you need to get a grip on things there. There are many "quacks". In regular medicine as well as alternative.

I made no insult. I was in "therapy" for over 20 years with different pain management clinics. The initial injury should have been addressed but the insurance companie(s) would not go for it. So my personal experience stands. I believe in alternative medicine as I have read where it can work. But it does not solve blown out discs. Surgery does.

The only insult was that they cared more about revenue than my health. Not THAT'S insulting.
 
#82
spade2you said:
Copy+Paste, eh? I love e-debates. Cliff's Notes vs. reading the book.



The thing about medicine is that LCMTs know more than doctors, as do nurses, etc. Everybody is the expert, but nobody has done the other's coursework.

The slow growth is due to the insurance companies not wanting to reimburse. They're using the argument that there isn't enough published data, not because doctors aren't doing their jobs or enough research, but because they simply don't want to pay. Simple as that.
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So why then do the insurance companies pay for medical care from a doctor? the funding has to come from somewhere...hint hint
 
#85
Back on topic, does it matter if alcoholISM is considered a disease or not?! It's a problem and needs solutions.

A friend of mine opted to join a program (t'was expensive, but he wasn't a rich man) where he was elected not to drink for a year and was obligated to get tested anytime day or night.
 
#88
spade2you said:
Back on topic, does it matter if alcoholISM is considered a disease or not?! It's a problem and needs solutions.

A friend of mine opted to join a program (t'was expensive, but he wasn't a rich man) where he was elected not to drink for a year and was obligated to get tested anytime day or night.
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I think that since it is a disease, it becomes easier for people without means to get assistance for getting into treatment programs. And this is exactly where I agree with alternative medical treatment instead of more rash prison terms or a revolving door justice system.

Cure the disease, cure the problem.
 
#89
Quickie said:
I think that since it is a disease, it becomes easier for people without means to get assistance for getting into treatment programs. And this is exactly where I agree with alternative medical treatment instead of more rash prison terms or a revolving door justice system.

Cure the disease, cure the problem.
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I couldn't agree with this more.

With one exception: the treatment program with the most long-term success is free (supported by voluntary member donations).
 
#92
spade2you said:
It's easy to mandate treatment when it's free, eh? ;) Despite it being free, it does have fairly good outcomes compared to the "competition", though that's not to say they don't all have a high failure rate.
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Unfortunately, that's the name of the game. Part of that comes from people being sent to treatment who don't want to go.

You cannot heal an addict who doesn't want to be healed.

And part of that comes from addiction being a sneaky SOB. Alcoholism's greatest trick is convincing its sufferers that they don't have a problem or in the case of the relapse that they have 'fixed' their problem.
 
#93
PSPookie said:
Unfortunately, that's the name of the game. Part of that comes from people being sent to treatment who don't want to go.

You cannot heal an addict who doesn't want to be healed.

And part of that comes from addiction being a sneaky SOB. Alcoholism's greatest trick is convincing its sufferers that they don't have a problem or in the case of the relapse that they have 'fixed' their problem.
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No arguments here. I suspect the high failure rate is why funding is so modest with addiction as with mental health. :atoz:
 
#96
I saw this topic come up on another forum and the OP said that the court did have an alternative (can’t remember the name) program that didn’t have the higher power element to it. The issue was that it was quite a ways from the OP’s house and there was an AA meeting on every corner.
 
#97
billhilly66 said:
I saw this topic come up on another forum and the OP said that the court did have an alternative (can’t remember the name) program that didn’t have the higher power element to it. The issue was that it was quite a ways from the OP’s house and there was an AA meeting on every corner.
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He could always dri......or wait, not any more. :hiding:

Rant on: Doesn't like what's free and available because it violates his beliefs? I'm not advocating public execution, but at what point did we bend and waver to every petty demand? The subject was caught driving under the influence, which violated the safety and constitutional rights of others. I see no harm in some mild violation as part of the punishment. Nobody made him get behind the wheel. Find a way, deal with the consequences, etc.

Rant off.
 
#98
spade2you said:
He could always dri......or wait, not any more. :hiding:

Rant on: Doesn't like what's free and available because it violates his beliefs? I'm not advocating public execution, but at what point did we bend and waver to every petty demand? The subject was caught driving under the influence, which violated the safety and constitutional rights of others. I see no harm in some mild violation as part of the punishment. Nobody made him get behind the wheel. Find a way, deal with the consequences, etc.

Rant off.
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It's not even a violation. They aren't making him practice religion, merely attend a meeting where independent members may discuss topics of a religious nature.

The 1st Amendment does not guarantee a complete freedom from religion.
 
#99
Quickie said:
Fictional? Man, you need to get a grip on things there. There are many "quacks". In regular medicine as well as alternative.

I made no insult. I was in "therapy" for over 20 years with different pain management clinics. The initial injury should have been addressed but the insurance companie(s) would not go for it. So my personal experience stands. I believe in alternative medicine as I have read where it can work. But it does not solve blown out discs. Surgery does.

The only insult was that they cared more about revenue than my health. Not THAT'S insulting.
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Or like I said, "not a professional" I can see you don't respect my point of view here, that why I'm done. goodbye.


enjoy your crusade:scowl:
 
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