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Unusual Rock Trivia?

According to the Rolling Stone Encyclopedia of Rock & Roll, Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart wrote more than 300 songs, and sold more than 42 million records as a partnership.
Their partnership made a breakthrough with a song recorded by Chubby Checker, "Lazy Elsie Molly", in 1964. They went on to write hits for Jay & the Americans ("Come a Little Bit Closer"), Paul Revere and the Raiders ("(I'm Not Your) Steppin' Stone"), and The Leaves ("Words"). The latter two songs provided the Monkees with hit B-sides in 1967.
The duo also wrote the theme song of the daytime soap Days of Our Lives. At one point in this period, Hart also co-wrote "Hurt So Bad" for Little Anthony & the Imperials with Teddy Randazzo and his regular songwriting partner, Bobby Weinstein. Boyce co-wrote the song "Hello Pretty Girl", which was a minor hit for singer Ronnie Dove, with Wes Farrell. Boyce also co-wrote the hit "Peaches 'N' Cream" by the Ikettes.
Boyce and Hart wrote, produced and recorded (accompanied by their backing band The Candy Store Prophets) the backing tracks for a large portion of the first season of The Monkees and their accompanying debut album.
During the late 1970s Tommy Boyce moved to England, where he continued his success as a writer/producer. He made a dynamic impact in the UK music world producing such artists as Iggy Pop and Meat Loaf.

Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart also recorded songs for movies. Here is Where Angels Go, Trouble Follows from the movie of the same name.

 
Although Wishbone Ash did not originate the duel lead guitar sound, they were one of the first, and certainly the most influential. It was Wishbone Ash that led Phil Lynott to use two lead guitarists with Thin Lizzy. Although they have produced some fine studio albums, Ash are a band that have to be seen live; nowadays some excellent footage can be found on YouTube and similar sites.
I’d say the Allman Brothers had more of an impact with that concept, from the very beginning. Wishbone Ash’s profile in the US(at least)was fairly negligible until Argus. The harmony leads thing, be it two guitars, or in conjuction with steel or fiddle, can be traced back to Bob Wills, something Dickey Betts drew from.
 
Steve Vai in an interview regarding
a session with Vinnie Colaiuta…


“I'll tell you a really great Vinnie story. He's one of the most amazing sight-readers that ever existed on the instrument. One day we were in a Frank rehearsal, this was early '80s, and Frank brought in this piece of music called "Mo 'N Herb's Vacation." Just unbelievably complex. All the drums were written out, just like "The Black Page" except even more complex. There were these runs of like 17 over 3 and every drumhead is notated differently. And there were a whole bunch of people there, I think Bozzio was there."

"Vinnie had this piece of music on the stand to his right. To his left he had another music stand with a plate of sushi on it, okay? Now the tempo of the piece was very slow, like "The Black Page." And then the first riff came in, [mimics bizarre Zappa-esque drum rhythm patterns] with all these choking of cymbals, and hi-hat, ruffs, spinning of rototoms and all this crazy stuff. And I saw Vinnie reading this thing. Now, Vinnie has this habit of pushing his glasses up with the middle finger of his right hand. Well I saw him look at this one bar of music, it was the last bar of music on the page. He started to play it as he was turning the page with one hand, and then once the page was turned he continued playing the riff with his right hand, as he reached over with his left hand, grabbed a piece of sushi and put it in his mouth, continued the riff with his left hand and feet, pushed his glasses up, and then played the remaining part of the bar."

"It was the sickest thing I have ever seen. Frank threw his music up in the air. Bozzio turned around and walked away. I just started laughing."

 
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Bozzio turned around and walked away.

Terry Bozzio tells a similarly amusing (& impressive) story about his last days as Zappa's drummer, I forget where I heard it so I'm paraphrasing...something to the effect of:

So I'm feeling pretty damn full of myself, 'cuz y'know, I played "The Black Page"... Frank wrote that with me in mind, and I'm the guy who was able to play it on drums, so now I'm riding on top of the world, thinking I'm The Big Cheese 'Cuz Only I Can Play "The Black Page" ...so I left Frank's band to pursue new opportunities with my newfound Big Cheese-ness.

And then one week later I see Vinnie Colaiuta onstage with Frank playing "The Black Page"
 
I did a promotional tour for Davidoff Cigars with Christian McBride. One evening he told a story of being on tour in Japan with Vinnie in his trio. One night they went out to catch Jeff Beck also on tour there then.

As they sat together in the audience, Christian said Vinnie cried out, “I’m supposed to be up there!”

It was pretty funny.
 
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Terry Bozzio tells a similarly amusing (& impressive) story about his last days as Zappa's drummer, I forget where I heard it so I'm paraphrasing...something to the effect of:

So I'm feeling pretty damn full of myself, 'cuz y'know, I played "The Black Page"... Frank wrote that with me in mind, and I'm the guy who was able to play it on drums, so now I'm riding on top of the world, thinking I'm The Big Cheese 'Cuz Only I Can Play "The Black Page" ...so I left Frank's band to pursue new opportunities with my newfound Big Cheese-ness.

And then one week later I see Vinnie Colaiuta onstage with Frank playing "The Black Page"
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ELO’s first manager was Don Arden. When he lost interest in the group, he gave them to his daughter Sharon who ran Jet Records. Sharon married Ozzy Osbourne a few years later.
Sharon started dating Ozzy when he was fired from Black Sabbath, which was years before (late 70s?). Since he wasn't in Black Sabbath anymore, he wasn't under contract with their manager (Don Arden), so Sharon took over. There was a nasty rift between Don and Sharon.
Don Arden continued with ELO until the mid 80s, but his record label folded about the same time he was going through all the court case for kidnap and embezzlement. ELO split up shortly after that time.
 
Although the Monkees were considered a Pre-Fab Four or manufactured band their fame opened up many opportunities to hang with Rock’s elite. Mickey was part of the Notorious Hollywood Vampire Club.
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Alice Cooper said “The original Hollywood Vampires was a drinking club, a last-man-standing kinda thing. You’d go over to the Rainbow Bar & Grill in Hollywood every night and there would be myself, Mickey Dolenz from The Monkees, [Elton John co-writer] Bernie Taupin, Keith Moon and Harry Nilsson. If John Lennon was in town, he’d always be hanging out with Harry, so he’d come by too. Everything became an argument: if John said white, Harry would say black; if John said Republican, Harry would say Democrat. I was the guy in the middle, trying to referee these ridiculous arguments they would have.

Not bad company for a pretend band!
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I'm a big Phlo & Eddie (Flo & Eddie) fan and have followed their careers both individually and collectively. I saw them a few times at The Golden Bear in Huntington Beach, CA in the mid '60s as well as on The Sunset Strip at a place called The Mindshaft Company.

Some of this is from Wiki, some from my memories .....

Flo & Eddie - consists of Mark Volman (Flo, short for Phlorescent Leech) and Howard Kaylan (Eddie).

The two were the original founding members of the Top 40 mid-to late 1960s rock and pop group The Turtles.

Here they are on Casey Kasem's "Shebang!" TV show from L.A.


After the Turtles dissolved in 1970, Volman and Kaylan first joined Frank Zappa's band The Mothers of Invention as Phlorescent Leech & Eddie. Contractual restrictions imposed early in their career prevented Volman and Kaylan from using the name The Turtles, as well as their own names, in a musical context.

When Frank Zappa was injured during a concert in London in 1971, Kaylan and Volman found each other at an impasse, as the group had been out of action for a time.

They continued to release albums, including the more successful Flo & Eddie; Illegal, Immoral and Fattening; Moving Targets; and Rock Steady with Flo & Eddie.

During the 1970s, Kaylan and Volman continued to work as session musicians. They were backing vocalists on the T. Rex 1971 song "Get It On", singing the inadvertent extra chorus that "worked". The duo were close friends of the band's vocalist Marc Bolan.

The couple was also in good relations with Alice Cooper, and they were the opening act on the "Billion Dollar Babies Tour" during the spring of 1973, going on to record background vocals for Cooper's albums From the Inside, Flush the Fashion and Zipper Catches Skin.

The duo was also the house band for the Canadian TV talk show 90 Minutes Live with Peter Gzowski. They also sang background vocals on "Telephone Booth", a 1974 song by Hoyt Axton.

The "Hoyt Axton" angle was strange in that they often appeared on his show "The Hoyt Axton Show" a local SoCal version of American Bandstand, but with a strong "Surfer" theme.
 
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Linda’s take on it:

In 1967, Linda Ronstadt once got together with Frank Zappa to record an advert for Remington razors. She recalled: "Frank wrote it. It was so musically complicated that I don't know if they liked it. It was kind of like Bambi and Deep Throat on the same bill. Btw Remington did reject it.

Frank’s take on it: Remington Electric Razor - Zappa Wiki Jawaka

 
Linda’s take on it:

In 1967, Linda Ronstadt once got together with Frank Zappa to record an advert for Remington razors. She recalled: "Frank wrote it. It was so musically complicated that I don't know if they liked it. It was kind of like Bambi and Deep Throat on the same bill. Btw Remington did reject it.

Frank’s take on it: Remington Electric Razor - Zappa Wiki Jawaka


Zappa must have done that just for laughs. I can't imagine he would think Remington would actually accept that - not because it wasn't good enough, but because, well...weird!:wacky:
 
2 tracks on Works Volume 1 by Emerson Lake and Palmer feature Joe Walsh on guitar and vocals: LA Nights and New Orleans.





I have no idea how Joe Walsh got asked to play on that album by the way.


Joe Walsh was a local performer around here and thru a friend I actually met and partied with James Gang drummer Jimi Fox after Joe went solo. His license plate on his Jag was “Funk 49” and he said he made $40k a year off royalties from that song alone. Joe never had a great vocal style but boy he could (can) play with the best…like the Eagles!