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Unusual Rock Trivia?

The Runaways’ guitarist Lita Ford was invited to replace John Paul Jones in Led Zeppelin

Led Zeppelin without John Paul Jones might sound unthinkable, but by 1973, after five albums and constant touring, Jones wanted a break to spend more time with his family. “We were all very tired and under pressure and it just came to a head,” he told Mojo back in 2007. “I didn’t want to harm the group, but I didn’t want my family to fall apart, either.”

It was around this time that Robert Plant considered replacing Jones with The Runaways’ lead guitarist Lita Ford. In a 2013 interview with BraveWords, Ford said: “They came to the Starwood Nightclub. They shook everyone’s hands, and a huge crowd gathered around us, and we took photographs. We gave them a Runaways t-shirt, and they put it on. And Robert Plant says to me, ‘You’re really good on guitar. Would you like to play bass for Led Zeppelin?’

Ford also revealed Robert Plant’s offer in her 2016 memoir, Living Like a Runaway. “He asked me if I could play bass guitar. ’For who?’ I asked. ‘Led Zep.’ He might have been drinking or pulling my leg, but he seemed to be dead serious in the moment.”

Despite accepting Plant’s offer, Ford was reluctant to pursue the invitation. “I didn’t even try,” she said. “I love John Paul Jones. He’s one of my favorite bass players. I couldn’t imagine myself replacing him, but the fact that they thought about a female in their band, I thought was pretty cool.”

Ultimately, Jones opted to stay with Led Zeppelin, despite rumours he had taken up a new position as the choirmaster of Winchester Cathedral. “It was a joke,” he later explained. “Somebody said, ‘Do you like being on the road?’ I said, ‘No … I saw this advert for a job for the organist out by the cathedral, I’m gonna apply for that.’ It was one of those things.”

At the time, Jones also spoke to Zeppelin manager Peter Grant. “It was the pressure,” Grant told author Dave Lewis in his book From A Whisper to a Scream. “He was a family man, was Jonesy. By that time, the security thing in the U.S. was getting ridiculous. We started getting death threats.”

Jones was told to take a few weeks off while Grant pushed out a story about him being ill. That seemed to work, and Jones eventually returned when work commenced on Physical Graffiti.

The band’s 1973 tour had ended with the filming of three sold-out shows at Madison Square Garden, which later became the Song Remains the Same film. Looking back, guitarist Jimmy Page said he didn’t sleep at all for most of that week in New York.

IIRC, that was before The Runaways. So so she would have been about 15 then?! :eek:



… not that Zep had issues with underage girls. :whistle:

She was born in September of 1958, so depending on what month it was in 1973, she may have been 14. :woot:
I clicked the link to the actual interview, because while at least one member of Led Zep took advantage of underage girls, I couldn't imagine them hiring a 14-15-year-old into the band. And the interviewer says this offer actually came in the late 1970s. So the text in the post above may be off.

"Greg Prato: I also recall once hearing that you crossed paths with LED ZEPPELIN in the late '70s, and that Robert Plant had an intriguing offer for you.

Lita Ford: "They (Robert Plant and Jimmy Page) came to the Starwood. The Starwood's not there anymore, but they came upstairs and went back to the dressing room. They shook everyone's hands and a huge crowd gathered around us, and we took photographs. We gave them a Runaways t-shirt, and they put it on. And Robert Plant says to me, 'You're really good on guitar. Would you like to play bass for Led Zeppelin?' He was dead serious! I thought, 'Yeah, right.' I shook it off like it was a joke, but I don't think he was joking. I said, 'Yeah sure, right,' and left it at that. I didn't even try to pursue that one. I love John Paul Jones - he's one of my favorite bass players. I just couldn't imagine me replacing him. But the fact that they thought about a female in their band I thought was pretty cool."
 
The Runaways’ guitarist Lita Ford was invited to replace John Paul Jones in Led Zeppelin

Led Zeppelin without John Paul Jones might sound unthinkable, but by 1973, after five albums and constant touring, Jones wanted a break to spend more time with his family. “We were all very tired and under pressure and it just came to a head,” he told Mojo back in 2007. “I didn’t want to harm the group, but I didn’t want my family to fall apart, either.”

It was around this time that Robert Plant considered replacing Jones with The Runaways’ lead guitarist Lita Ford. In a 2013 interview with BraveWords, Ford said: “They came to the Starwood Nightclub. They shook everyone’s hands, and a huge crowd gathered around us, and we took photographs. We gave them a Runaways t-shirt, and they put it on. And Robert Plant says to me, ‘You’re really good on guitar. Would you like to play bass for Led Zeppelin?’

Ford also revealed Robert Plant’s offer in her 2016 memoir, Living Like a Runaway. “He asked me if I could play bass guitar. ’For who?’ I asked. ‘Led Zep.’ He might have been drinking or pulling my leg, but he seemed to be dead serious in the moment.”

Despite accepting Plant’s offer, Ford was reluctant to pursue the invitation. “I didn’t even try,” she said. “I love John Paul Jones. He’s one of my favorite bass players. I couldn’t imagine myself replacing him, but the fact that they thought about a female in their band, I thought was pretty cool.”

Ultimately, Jones opted to stay with Led Zeppelin, despite rumours he had taken up a new position as the choirmaster of Winchester Cathedral. “It was a joke,” he later explained. “Somebody said, ‘Do you like being on the road?’ I said, ‘No … I saw this advert for a job for the organist out by the cathedral, I’m gonna apply for that.’ It was one of those things.”

At the time, Jones also spoke to Zeppelin manager Peter Grant. “It was the pressure,” Grant told author Dave Lewis in his book From A Whisper to a Scream. “He was a family man, was Jonesy. By that time, the security thing in the U.S. was getting ridiculous. We started getting death threats.”

Jones was told to take a few weeks off while Grant pushed out a story about him being ill. That seemed to work, and Jones eventually returned when work commenced on Physical Graffiti.

The band’s 1973 tour had ended with the filming of three sold-out shows at Madison Square Garden, which later became the Song Remains the Same film. Looking back, guitarist Jimmy Page said he didn’t sleep at all for most of that week in New York.
If Lita Ford took him seriously (even at age fifteen) she is lucky she didn't end up pregnant in the next few years. Robert was trying to get a piece. LOL
At that age, my girlfriend (still my wife after 45 years married) would have seen what Robert was doing a mile away. It's funny she still repeats that story.
Jimmy Page was the one making those decisions anyway, it was his band. He picked JPJ and would have also been the one to audition a replacement.
 
The announcer whose voice is memorably featured on the song "7 O Clock News/Silent Night" is none other than Charlie O'Donnell, who was the announcer for Dick Clark's American Bandstand (where Simon and Garfunkel began their careers in the 1950s), and who was also the announcer for the TV game shows The $100,000 Pyramid, The Joker's Wild and Wheel of Fortune.

 
I clicked the link to the actual interview, because while at least one member of Led Zep took advantage of underage girls, I couldn't imagine them hiring a 14-15-year-old into the band. And the interviewer says this offer actually came in the late 1970s. So the text in the post above may be off.

"Greg Prato: I also recall once hearing that you crossed paths with LED ZEPPELIN in the late '70s, and that Robert Plant had an intriguing offer for you.

Lita Ford: "They (Robert Plant and Jimmy Page) came to the Starwood. The Starwood's not there anymore, but they came upstairs and went back to the dressing room. They shook everyone's hands and a huge crowd gathered around us, and we took photographs. We gave them a Runaways t-shirt, and they put it on. And Robert Plant says to me, 'You're really good on guitar. Would you like to play bass for Led Zeppelin?' He was dead serious! I thought, 'Yeah, right.' I shook it off like it was a joke, but I don't think he was joking. I said, 'Yeah sure, right,' and left it at that. I didn't even try to pursue that one. I love John Paul Jones - he's one of my favorite bass players. I just couldn't imagine me replacing him. But the fact that they thought about a female in their band I thought was pretty cool."

After I posted that, the year did not make sense to me either; but, there are several magazines and other sources all referencing 1973. I checked as well and noticed she would have been 14 or 15 years old in 1973. I could not change the date on the post.
 
Rick and the Ravens consisted of the Manzarek brothers. Rick Manzarek on guitar, Jim Manzarek on organ and harmonica. In 1962, Ray Manzarek, having moved to Los Angeles from Chicago, joined on vocals and occasional piano.

Here is one of Rick and the Ravens demo records:



The 1965 Rick & the Ravens demo features Jim Morrison on vocals, Ray Manzarek on piano and background vocals, John Densmore on drums, Rick Manzarek on guitar, Jim Manzarek on harmonica.

Both Jim and Rick Manzarek were disappointed by the response the demo received after attempting to promote it, and they were not impressed with the songs. Subsequently, Rick and Jim Manzarek quit the band, stating they felt it was "going nowhere fast".

In an interview conducted by Rainer Moddemann, Manzarek stated the first song Jim Morrison performed with Rick & the Ravens was Richard Berry's "Louie Louie". Morrison was not officially part of the band at that time; Manzarek simply invited his former college colleague on stage, much to everyone's surprise. Morrison was reportedly not prepared for this, his first public performance, and sang himself hoarse. Morrison and Manzarek had met previously and found they shared a lot of musical and artistic interests. Later Manzarek asked Morrison to join the band and he accepted.

On September 2, 1965 the band entered World Pacific Studios in Los Angeles and recorded six songs that would eventually become Doors songs: "Moonlight Drive", "My Eyes Have Seen You", "Hello, I Love You", "Go Insane" (known simply as "Insane" on the acetate), "End of the Night", and "Summer's Almost Gone".

The recording session was a relatively quick affair, only lasting three hours in total. Singer Morrison was reportedly delighted to hear his voice on a record for the first time.

At Morrison's suggestion, the band changed its name to the Doors a month after they had recorded this 2nd demo.

Here's the newly christened Doors (Rick and the Ravens) 1965 Demo:



Robby Krieger joined on guitar in October 1965, having earlier performed with Densmore in the Psychedelic Rangers. The Doors were initially a quintet, but when Manzarek decided to handle the bass duties with the newly introduced Fender Rhodes Piano Bass, Pat Sullivan was dropped from the line-up in December 1965, ultimately ending up with the "classic" Doors line-up of Morrison, Manzarek, Krieger, and Densmore.
 
While primarily known for playing Jon Arbuckle in the "Garfield" movies and for his memorable role in the 1995 film Clulelss, Breckin Meyer is the drummer for Tom Morello's alter ego The Nightwatchman's back-up band The Freedom Fighter Orchestra. He toured with Morello on The Nightwatchman's 2008 Justice Tour. He appears in Street Sweeper Social Club's video for "100 Little Curses" and "Promenade".
 
Don Grady of the TV shows My Three Sons and The Mickey Mouse Club was in the band The Yellow Balloon. Don Grady was sometimes listed as "Luke R. Yoo" with the band. They had a Top 40 Billboard bubblegum pop hit in 1967 with the song "Yellow Balloon". The band at one time also included Daryl Dragon of The Captain and Tennille.

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Don Grady as "Luke R. Yoo" in this video.

 
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Remembering Leonard Chess (March 12, 1917 – October 16, 1969)
Frank Zappa once said that the best years of rock were when records were produced by “cigar-chomping old guys who looked at the product that came and said, ‘I don’t know. Who knows what it is? Record it, stick it out. If it sells, all right.’”
Leonard and Phil Chess were prototypical cigar-chomping, old-fashioned record men who took a chance on music they didn’t understand. Jewish immigrants from Poland, they got into the record business more or less by chance: Leonard bought a liquor store in an African American neighborhood on the south side of Chicago, and did well enough that he opened a small nightclub called the Macomba Lounge. It was a rough ghetto bar, patronized by prostitutes and drug dealers, but from the start it was known for having good music. In the late-1940s, that meant it had jazz groups playing bebop, pop tunes, and mellow blues ballads. That was what the better-paying black patrons preferred to hear, and when Leonard got involved with a small local label, Aristocrat Records, that was what he intended to record.
It was only after the first few records went nowhere that he took a chance on another kind of musician, a Mississippi singer who was too raw and country-sounding to have pleased the crowds at the Macomba. In fact, when Leonard Chess first heard Muddy Waters sing I Can’t Be Satisfied, in a Delta growl backed with a whining electric slide guitar, he couldn’t imagine it pleasing anyone. “What’s he saying?” he asked. “Who’s going to buy that?”
Fortunately, his partner in Aristocrat, Evelyn Aron, suggested that some of the black southerners who had moved north in search of jobs might enjoy the sounds of home. So Chess pressed 3,000 singles, they sold out in a day, and six decades later Waters’s recording is remembered as the first masterpiece of electric Chicago blues.
Chess's greatest years were the mid-fifties, when the R&B charts were dominated by Muddy, Wolf, Walter, Willie Mabon, the Moonglows, etc. Chuck Berry (Leonard's most important discovery), Bo Diddley and Dale Hawkins crossed over to the pop charts and had a huge influence on rock 'n' roll (and later on the British beat boom of the 1960s). The Chess group of labels never had a # 1 pop hit, but over a dozen # 1 R&B hits. By the late fifties Chess had dropped all blues acts except for the biggest and entered the sixties with Etta James, Clarence "Frogman" Henry, Koko Taylor, Sugarpie DeSanto, Fontella Bass and others.
There is much debate regarding the Chesses as actual record producers. In his autobiography, Willie Dixon tends to minimize the contributions of Leonard as a producer, indicating that his main contribution was to rile up the musicians in the studio with a string of friendly curses and then leave them to take out their frustrations on the music. (Leonard was notoriously crude, answering the phone with a "Hello, mothershager"). However, the ability to bring out the best from musicians is one of the very definitions of producer. It was in Dixon's interest to play down Leonard's output because Dixon was also a producer and writer with the company and felt unappreciated by the Chesses, especially financially. Starting in the late 1950s, outside producers were brought in, first Ralph Bass (formerly with King Records), a little later also Billy Davis, who had worked with Berry Gordy.
The Guardian / Dik de Heer
Photo: Henry Herr Gill, AP
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In 1966, wooded-legged Shock Jock Joe Pyne the original confrontational TV host had as his guest Frank Zappa, the composer-musician Genius of Weirdness.
Right off the bat in his usual aggressive, insulting opening, Pyne delivers an insult to Zappa thusly:
JOE PYNE: “So, Frank, you have long hair. Does that make you a woman?”
Without even a moment’s hesitation, Zappa snapped back:
FRANK ZAPPA: “So, Joe, you have a wooden leg. Does that make you a table?”
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I find no mention of this guy here, He's been on YouTube for some years,has almost a million subscribers,and gets interviews with big names...The Professor of Rock - Adam Reader.

Here he tells of how Simon & Garfunkel and their breakout song Sounds Of Silence almost fell through the cracks into obscurity, if not for someone else's meddling.



He has hundreds of episodes, running around 25 minutes each.
 
This may be a repeat, but here goes.
I believe only 5 other musicians were listed as "credited" on Beatle albums.

“Not a Second Time” – George Martin, Piano; “You Won’t See Me” – Mal ‘organ’ Evans on Hammond; “Love You To” – Anil Bhagwat on Tabla; and “For No One” – Alan Civil on [French] Horn. (I think George M. was on other songs too, if you know which, let us know.)
 
Everyone knows that Ozzy is the original singer of Black Sabbath.
Who was the 2nd person to sing lead vocals on a Sabbath album?
You may think Ronnie James Dio, but you would be incorrect.
That person would be drummer Bill Ward, who sang “It’s Alright” on Technical Ecstasy (1976) and “Swinging the Chain” on Never Say Die in 1978.
Dio made his Sabbath debut on 1980’s Heaven and Hell.
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The song, "Jennifer Eccles", by The Hollies was written by Allan Clarke and Graham Nash with input from their wives. The title is a combination of their wives' names (Allan Clarke's wife Jennifer née Bowstead and Graham Nash's wife Rose née Eccles).

The name Jennifer Eccles is also featured in the song "Lily The Pink" by The Scaffold (which included Paul McCartney's brother Peter using the name Mike McGear). The reference on that song was inside-joke as Graham Nash sang backing vocals on this recording along with Elton John (then Reg Dwight), and Tim Rice and Jack Bruce of Cream played bass guitar.



 
The 20th century scattered Ukrainians all over the world, and many of them and their descendants are interested in their background. Here’s an example of the many world-famous cultural figures who not only have Ukrainian roots but are also proud of them.
Tony Levin, one of the greatest bass players of our time, has Ukrainian ancestry. He has played with Pink Floyd, King Crimson, Yes, Peter Gabriel, David Bowie, Paul Simon, John Lennon, Lou Reed, and Tom Waits, ultimately contributing to over 500 albums by various artists. In a private conversation after he performed a concert in Kyiv in 2012, Levin said that he often comes to Kyiv as a tourist to stroll along its streets.
Earlier, the musician had posted about his journey to Ukraine on his website:
“My grandparents were from Berdychiv, but then they moved to a small town called Ostropil (currently the village of Staryi Ostropil — ed.), which my mother used to call Ostropoliya, and that’s where she was born.”
After making a trip to Staryi Ostropil, Tony and his brother Pete wrote a song dedicated to their ancestral village.
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From a 2017 article from PROG regarding John Wetton….

After percussionist Jamie Muir left King Crimson in early 1973, with the sedentary Fripp lodged behind a guitar and Mellotron over on stage right, John became a focus for attention. The self-assurance he exuded on stage grew exponentially in relation to his onstage volume, sometimes to the chagrin of his frustrated and slightly shell-shocked bandmates. Not for nothing did Robert Fripp memorably describe the experience of playing with the combined forces of Wetton and Bruford as being akin to “a flying brick wall”.

In Bruford’s autobiography, Bill mentions something quite similar about John’s volume too.
 
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This may be a repeat, but here goes.
I believe only 5 other musicians were listed as "credited" on Beatle albums.

“Not a Second Time” – George Martin, Piano; “You Won’t See Me” – Mal ‘organ’ Evans on Hammond; “Love You To” – Anil Bhagwat on Tabla; and “For No One” – Alan Civil on [French] Horn. (I think George M. was on other songs too, if you know which, let us know.)
Billy Preston?
 
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