Upgrading amplifiers

[twinjet]

That opens up an entire new arena of problems, mainly you'll end up blowing the 210 or underutilizing the 410 which defeats the purpose of adding another cab

Would I still blow the 210 if it's rated for 200w?

 

[DwaynieAD]

Would I still blow the 210 if it's rated for 200w?

Search for a thread on mixing drivers here on Tb, I'm sure guys on there can explain it much more eloquently than I ever could.

Basically the best thing you can do is match the cab you already have. A 410 should get another 410, a 115 gets another 115.

When you pair a a 210 with 410 chances are your going to keep turning up because you can't hear one of the cabs, and you overpower one of them. It's not necessarily going to blow, but you are looking at the situation kind of backwards. I think you need to do some more reading until you understand it.

That being said a 410 should be enough speakers which is why I originally suggested a more powerful amp. Gk 700rbii can be had used for 2-400 dollars easy and will peel paint off the walls.

 

[twinjet]

I had s similar issue. HArtke 4x10 XL and a GK 400.
Yes, you need an amp with a 400 watt rating @ 8 ohms or in that range.

Pardon my ignorance, but when someone says "400 watts @ 8 ohms" that means a 400W amp with an 8 ohm load (cab). Right?

 

[twinjet]

That being said a 410 should be enough speakers which is why I originally suggested a more powerful amp. Gk 700rbii can be had used for 2-400 dollars easy and will peel paint off the walls.

One comment said power is pretty much irrelevant here. Man, I'm confused...

 

[Bent77]

Pardon my ignorance, but when someone says "400 watts @ 8 ohms" that means a 400W amp with an 8 ohm load (cab). Right?

Means the amp is 400w @ 8ohm rated power. The cab rated 400w @ 8 ohm could get pushed too hard under full tilt boogie

A lot of heads are rated to 4 ohm total load, which in your case is 200w.

 

[twinjet]

Means the amp is 400w @ 8ohm rated power. The cab rated 400w @ 8 ohm could get pushed too hard under full tilt boogie

A lot of heads are rated to 4 ohm total load, which in your case is 200w.

I just read the owner's manual, my head is rated for 200w, and a "4 ohm minimum load"... So, 200w @ 4 ohms?

 

[agedhorse]

The 210 - 410 problem is not a mixing drivers problem at all. It's a power balance between drivers problem, since for 8 ohm cabinets, each driver in the 210 will receive 2x the power that each driver in the 410 will receive. Incidentally, a 400 watt, 8 ohm 115 might indeed be a decent match to the 410 depending on the relative sensitivities and tuning (including phase response) profiles.

Let's help the OP by keeping the answers focused on the solutions to his problem.

 

[Bent77]

One comment said power is pretty much irrelevant here. Man, I'm confused...

I believe the point he was making is that the surface area of 2x 410 is an effective way to get more volume by only adding a cab

Of course driving those with more power increases the volume as well. Two ways to row the same boat

 

[Bent77]

@twinjet

Reread post #9, I think it's the most concise and direct answer

 

[twinjet]

I believe the point he was making is that the surface area of 2x 410 is an effective way to get more volume by only adding a cab

Of course driving those with more power increases the volume as well. Two ways to row the same boat

So either use a more powerful amp with a half stack (my one 410), or complete the stack with a second 410 with the same amp?

 

[Bent77]

So either use a more powerful amp with a half stack (my one 410), or complete the stack with a second 410 with the same amp?

Try a new head first. Couple of good brand and models suggested based on what you can afford or is available where you are (or shipped, thank you USPS)

If that doesn't get it, add another 410

 

[Bent77]

If that doesn't work, SVT and 2x 810 + earplugs

Oh and tell the guitar player to turn down

 

[carl h.]

If that doesn't work, SVT and 2x 810 + earplugs

Oh and tell the guitar player to turn down

Just pop the back of the offending guitarist's cab and swap polarity on 2 of his drivers..

 

[Bent77]

Just pop the back of the offending guitarist's cab and swap polarity on 2 of his drivers..

Sticking your foot on the input jack has a notable change in volume as well

 

[Cap'n Redbeard]

Personally, I'd try a more powerful head first. You're barely pushing your cab with your current head. A G-K 700rb would be a good place to start. Or maybe try a Hartke ha3500. That cab should provide plenty of stage volume on its own.

 

[agedhorse]

Sticking your foot on the input jack has a notable change in volume as well

As does telling him that the gig is 2 towns over and texting him the wrong address

 

[Bent77]

As does telling him that the gig is 2 towns over and texting him the wrong address

You, sir, are full of fine suggestions today

 

[agedhorse]

You, sir, are full of fine suggestions today

Was a "bad guitarist" day

 

[bikeplate]

Mesa D800.
Aguilar TH500

 

[kosmicwizard]

If you aren't loud enough get another 8 Ohm matching cab. Then your head will send all 200 watts into the 4 Ohm load. If it is a tone thing, then i suggest going to the music store and trying everything until you find what you are looking for. You cannot "under power" a cab, but there does come a point where you just can't realistically expect a head to "go any louder" (do a search to see how many more watts are needed to double your SPLs), on the other hand you can have a 1400 watt head driving an 8 inch cabinet and not blow it if you don't turn it up too much. Some people call it "headroom" and gives you "clean" tone without making your head work too hard or go into a state of distortion... Cheers.