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Upgrading to Fear: The Plan
- Thread starter scottfeldstein
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No.
But you need the more sensitive (and expensive) 18Sound mid driver in a 12/6 to keep up with the second 3012LF woofer when you add a 12sub.
Yes, the sub won't sound good as a standalone. The price you pay for the huge xmax and low end of the LF drivers is a poor response in the mids and highs.
Oh, the configurator choice selector thingy on speakerhardware.com doesn't impart this bit of wisdom. Hm. Maybe I should plan for a pair of 12/6 cabs after all. That'll make my second build a little more expensive out of pocket, as I can't get nearly as much for my old 210 as I can for the Neo 212. But maybe I'll just let the future take care of itself and build the first 12/6 with the cheaper mid, knowing I'll build a matching one down the road.
I'm actually thinking of the same thing, but was kinda leaning towards the 1515/66 DIY...
I've been trying to weigh the pros/cons and price and starting to think two 15/6 's would be more than enough...
but 1st I'm gonna look at local hardware stores as I've worked in cabinet shops and framed houses in the past, so I'm pretty decent/skilled with various power tools only need a jig saw, clamps and a few other things I don't have for tools....
of course depending on availability and how much 1/2 inch Baltic birch costs, buying the kit might might be a better option for me anyways as it needs to be imported here...
but for the cost of a 1515/66 precut kit and speakers/drivers it'll add up to close to $1200, so 2 regular greenboy 15/6 is seeming like a much better deal for me, especially if I can get that Baltic birch here(have to look into that), though I'm also looking at barefaced cabs right now...
To OP, noticed your doing gigs in the twin cities, I grew up just north of Minneapolis...i miss that part of the world!! Good luck, I'm with ya on building one of these, I just need to stay off the classifieds here and save $$$$ for this
I initially thought of going 15/6. Just one of them would replace my two cab rig and I could use the sale of both of those cabs to finance a large portion of it's cost. But then I thought again. Right now I do rehearsal and small stages with just one of my cabs, my Neo 212. It weighs around 50 pounds. If I got a 15/6, I'd be stuck with a similar weight and carrying around the "full rig" for all occasions.
A 12/6 could crush either of my existing cabs alone. If I had one of these I could use it for rehearsal and small stages, only busting out it's twin when I needed the "big rig." And most of the time I'd be lugging around just a single 35-37 pound cab. What's more, I could finance the first one by selling just one of my existing cabs, retaining the other one for supplement until such time as I sold it and built a second 12/6.
And if it's true what they say, that a 12/6 can (if provided enough watts) almost do the job of a good 410... then I'd almost have a modular 410/410 rig for the size and weight of those itty bitty 12/6 cabs. Hard to imagine myself really needing more volume than that.
Twin cities? Yep, we're there this coming Friday night at the Amsterdam. We're based out of West Bend, just north of Milwaukee. I'll be flying in from Chicago (business) Friday morning. Should be a fun show
A 12/6 could crush either of my existing cabs alone. If I had one of these I could use it for rehearsal and small stages, only busting out it's twin when I needed the "big rig." And most of the time I'd be lugging around just a single 35-37 pound cab. What's more, I could finance the first one by selling just one of my existing cabs, retaining the other one for supplement until such time as I sold it and built a second 12/6.
And if it's true what they say, that a 12/6 can (if provided enough watts) almost do the job of a good 410... then I'd almost have a modular 410/410 rig for the size and weight of those itty bitty 12/6 cabs. Hard to imagine myself really needing more volume than that.
Twin cities? Yep, we're there this coming Friday night at the Amsterdam. We're based out of West Bend, just north of Milwaukee. I'll be flying in from Chicago (business) Friday morning. Should be a fun show
I sold off my old rig piece by piece to build my 12/6/1(with the cheaper mid).
I love my cabinet (mostly cause I made it).
My cab weighs about 48lbs. But I've got several steel parts. Handle, corners, wheels, grill and it all added up.
After using mine at a typical heavy music gig I blew it's crossover. The repair was cheap but I really wished I'd built a 15/6. I knew going into the gig I didn't have enough speaker area but hoped for the best.
If you can swing the bigger cabinet, do it. Too much cabinet can be turned down. Too little....is a learning experience.
Really if weight is an issue put wheels on it.
The 15/6 is a much more sensitive cabinet than the 12/6, you do pay more but you do get more.
Just thoughts.
I love my cabinet (mostly cause I made it).
My cab weighs about 48lbs. But I've got several steel parts. Handle, corners, wheels, grill and it all added up.
After using mine at a typical heavy music gig I blew it's crossover. The repair was cheap but I really wished I'd built a 15/6. I knew going into the gig I didn't have enough speaker area but hoped for the best.
If you can swing the bigger cabinet, do it. Too much cabinet can be turned down. Too little....is a learning experience.
Really if weight is an issue put wheels on it.
The 15/6 is a much more sensitive cabinet than the 12/6, you do pay more but you do get more.
Just thoughts.
Even so! I think I could survive with what nearly amounts to a pair of 410s rather than what nearly amounts to a pair of 610s! And anyway I'm more concerned about my wallet and my back than about playing Shea stadium
oh don't get me wrong, I have zero aspirations to play any stadium
. I just like knowing I have that power at my disposal, and yes I was looking at 6/10'sand yes, it'll be for metal music with 2 guitars, so i need more than a 4/10
edit: but in reality, I'd probably be find with just one, 2 for big deal, main stage stuff!! Funny coincidence, I was doing a search on the fEARful stuff and this came up
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I haven't owned one, I thought of getting one for a while but then I changed my mind after noticing several people making similar comments about them that spiked my attention. I noticed most people don't mic up these cabs. Everyone talks about how they are very flat sounding with an amazing frequency range but that's just not what I like in a cab. I sorta use my cab as a frequency filter before a mic in the studio where I always mic up a cab. I just don't think a wide frequency flat sounding cab is ideal for me. If your going to mic a flat sounding cab with that big of a frequency range you might as well use an xlr out. I prefer my sealed ampeg cabs because of the way it makes the bass sit in a mix Without having to filter/eq my tone to death.
No, the 12Sub requires that you use the more expensive 18Sound mid in the other cab because the Alpha mid cannot keep up with 2 woofers.
As Bill says it is more cost effective to use 2 Alpha mids than one 18Sound mid, plus you get 2 stand alone cabs.
Edit - I haven't had my second coffee yet and didn't see all the other replies to this.
Having played greenboy rigs with all the different mid drivers used, I think you would be really pleased with a pair of alpha mid 12/6's.
Very understandable. It is why greenboy designed the Bassic and Dually cabs.
Scott - do yourself a favor and buy everything at once, shipping eats money else wise.
If you can swing a trip to Madison, I've got a pre + power amp + 12/6. And a GK MB500. You need to hear the difference.
If you can swing a trip to Madison, I've got a pre + power amp + 12/6. And a GK MB500. You need to hear the difference.
fEARful and FEARLESS cabinets aren't for everybody. They appeal mainly to people who like a "direct to board" sound. Not so much to people who prefer the sound of a mic'd up "traditional" cabinet.
My experience (in live situations) has been that I can send a post-EQ to the board, roll things off on my channel starting ~5K, and get a very close approximation of my (tweeterless) stage sound into the FOH.
As for comparing a 12/6 to a 310 or 410...
It's been a long time since I've used a 410, so I can't really compare one to a 12/6. I am sure, though, that a 12/6 can be pushed a LOT louder than any 210 I've played through.
My experience (in live situations) has been that I can send a post-EQ to the board, roll things off on my channel starting ~5K, and get a very close approximation of my (tweeterless) stage sound into the FOH.
As for comparing a 12/6 to a 310 or 410...
It's been a long time since I've used a 410, so I can't really compare one to a 12/6. I am sure, though, that a 12/6 can be pushed a LOT louder than any 210 I've played through.
lelandcrooks
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That's a great price for poplar. You have to be careful with it, it will have voids that ring. Extra bracing is required. Last I bought I gave over $100 a sheet for real Italian poplar.
The birch packs don't warp. Bb is incredibly stable. I once in a while get a sheet that will have a 1/2" twist over a 5 ft span. Negligible after it's cut.
Poor wcriley with that twisty mess we tried.
