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Vegetarian Club Anyone?

I suppose also that the benefit of a vegan diet, when done properly, is that it is generally healthier. This would mean that there would be less risk of serious illness anyway.

Statistically speaking that is true. Vegans are far less susceptible to heart disease, stroke and certain types of cancer.

Vegans are also less prone to Alzheimers disease too.
 
I certainly see how it can be seen. But the thing is before any drug can be approved for clinical testing then it must first be tested on animals. I mean every single new drug. So I was wondering what vegans do.

I'm sure it would be case by case with vegans, some won't use medications, some will. Your principles don't exist in a vaccum, reality will throw problems at you that you can't get your principles around sometimes. Ultimately I think a vegan who is forced to use medications to survive still puts in days/months/years of living a lifestyle with far less pollution and water consumption. I don't feel the need to use medications, if the circumstances arise, defames the time you've lived as a vegan. But that doesn't mean I agree with animal testing.

I suppose also that the benefit of a vegan diet, when done properly, is that it is generally healthier. This would mean that there would be less risk of serious illness anyway.

Statistically speaking that is true. Vegans are far less susceptible to heart disease, stroke and certain types of cancer.

Vegans are also less prone to Alzheimers disease too.

You guys are aware that the majority of vegans dont do it out of love for animals? Not all of them are card carrying members of PETA. You talk like that is the main reason, when in fact, most vegans eat that way because of the health benefits you mention, and a lot more.

Now, I'm not slamming you for wanting animals to live a happy healthy life. That is a good thing. And if you want to limit yourself in what you wear as well as what you eat, go for it. I'm just saying the most vegans dont do it for that reason so the moral implications of medical science dont really effect most of us.
 
You guys are aware that the majority of vegans dont do it out of love for animals? Not all of them are card carrying members of PETA. You talk like that is the main reason, when in fact, most vegans eat that way because of the health benefits you mention, and a lot more.

Now, I'm not slamming you for wanting animals to live a happy healthy life. That is a good thing. And if you want to limit yourself in what you wear as well as what you eat, go for it. I'm just saying the most vegans dont do it for that reason so the moral implications of medical science dont really effect most of us.

A giant +1 to this. I don't want to mistreat animals but I'm not about to throw red paint on celebrities who wear fur.
 
You guys are aware that the majority of vegans dont do it out of love for animals? Not all of them are card carrying members of PETA. You talk like that is the main reason, when in fact, most vegans eat that way because of the health benefits you mention, and a lot more.

Now, I'm not slamming you for wanting animals to live a happy healthy life. That is a good thing. And if you want to limit yourself in what you wear as well as what you eat, go for it. I'm just saying the most vegans dont do it for that reason so the moral implications of medical science dont really effect most of us.

Do you have a statistic to support your belief? In my experience I've met as many vegans that do it for ethical reasons as do it for health reasons.
 
A giant +1 to this. I don't want to mistreat animals but I'm not about to throw red paint on celebrities who wear fur.

You can do it for ethical reasons but keep them personal. You don't need to be a militant or an activist to choose veganism for ethical reasons.
 
What about the next verses:
"29: I have provided all kinds of fruit and grain for you to eat. 30 And I have given the green plants as food for everything else that breathes. These will be food for animals, both wild and tame, and for birds."

Sounds to me like God wants us to "rule" over animals, but to eat fruits and grains.


I agree completely-that was the original plan. But the plan had to modified when our ancestors decided to run amuck and completely turn their back on God. When God decided that they had gone as far as He could let them without them destrying the earth, He decided to limit mans ability to influence succeeding generations.

See, the earth before the flood was a wonderland. We were designed to live forever, and until our first parents screwed that up, we did. But after they were denied access to the tree of life they lost their immortality. But the earth was still a paradise. A person could get all the nourishment he or she needed buy walking to the nearest fruit tree and picking something off of it. And the variety was astounding. The atmosphere was different, which contributed to lifespans of around 600-900 years.

Part of the deal with the flood was the disruption of most of the factors that led to long lifespans, because God knew that if you let people live more than a couple hundred years that they have a tendency to get themselves into trouble and that had to be addressed. One of the things He did was to give Noah meat to eat. But it was specific meat. Not everything was supposed to be consumed by man. In fact, this was so important that after this truth was lost by the isrealites while they were slaves in Egypt, God had to have it written out for them by Moses so there wouldnt be any questions.

But aside from shortening lifespans, it was also the fact that Noah and his family were basically stranded in a desolate wilderness and needed sustenance at least until they could plant a garden and harvest it . I bet it was a tough first year for people that had never eaten meat to get used to it-not to mention that they had personally taken care of those animals on the ark for a year or so and were probably pets.
 
Do you have a statistic to support your belief? In my experience I've met as many vegans that do it for ethical reasons as do it for health reasons.

No, I dont have statistics other than the fact that the religion I ascribe to promotes Vegetarianism, has complete academies and universities that teach it, and that there are literally millions of us and animal rights are never a factor. Not that we dont love animals-we do-its just that we do it for health reasons.
 
No, I dont have statistics other than the fact that the religion I ascribe to promotes Vegetarianism, has complete academies and universities that teach it, and that there are literally millions of us and animal rights are never a factor. Not that we dont love animals-we do-its just that we do it for health reasons.

Does your religion teach veganism, or vegetarianism?
 
I agree completely-that was the original plan. But the plan had to modified when our ancestors decided to run amuck and completely turn their back on God. When God decided that they had gone as far as He could let them without them destrying the earth, He decided to limit mans ability to influence succeeding generations.

See, the earth before the flood was a wonderland. We were designed to live forever, and until our first parents screwed that up, we did. But after they were denied access to the tree of life they lost their immortality. But the earth was still a paradise. A person could get all the nourishment he or she needed buy walking to the nearest fruit tree and picking something off of it. And the variety was astounding. The atmosphere was different, which contributed to lifespans of around 600-900 years.

Part of the deal with the flood was the disruption of most of the factors that led to long lifespans, because God knew that if you let people live more than a couple hundred years that they have a tendency to get themselves into trouble and that had to be addressed. One of the things He did was to give Noah meat to eat. But it was specific meat. Not everything was supposed to be consumed by man. In fact, this was so important that after this truth was lost by the isrealites while they were slaves in Egypt, God had to have it written out for them by Moses so there wouldnt be any questions.

But aside from shortening lifespans, it was also the fact that Noah and his family were basically stranded in a desolate wilderness and needed sustenance at least until they could plant a garden and harvest it . I bet it was a tough first year for people that had never eaten meat to get used to it-not to mention that they had personally taken care of those animals on the ark for a year or so and were probably pets.

Wow, that is some story. I don't see how any of this could be proven true, much less how a god who is benevolent, omscient, and omnipotent could/would launch such a chain of events. I am sure this is getting close to then edge of religious debate, so PM if you like to chat further.

Maybe a less charged discussion could be had on the issue of stewardship and dominion. Aren't then mutually exclusive, as dominion is generally intrepreted as "we can do almost whatever we want to animals since god put us on the top of the food chain"?
 
Does your religion teach veganism, or vegetarianism?

Actually, we teach health principles and each person is allowed to take as far as they want. It isnt a point of faith-there a many who eat meat (they tend to more careful which meats they eat, though). And a lot are like me-I eat dairy products occasionally. But we have a college just east of Sacramento that is totally vegan. Thats the only one I know of personally, but I know there are more. I have known a lot of vegans over the years too. Along with our schools, we have a world wide network of hospitals also. Loma Linda University and Hospital may be one you recognise.
 
Guys, I don't personally have a problem with you discussing vegetarianism as it relates to your religious beliefs, just please be careful how deep you take your discussions. If you go too far into it, the vegetarian club could get shut down for religious content by a moderator.
 
Wow, that is some story. I don't see how any of this could be proven true, much less how a god who is benevolent, omscient, and omnipotent could/would launch such a chain of events. I am sure this is getting close to then edge of religious debate, so PM if you like to chat further.

Maybe a less charged discussion could be had on the issue of stewardship and dominion. Aren't then mutually exclusive, as dominion is generally intrepreted as "we can do almost whatever we want to animals since god put us on the top of the food chain"?

Dominion does mean you can do whatever you want, but it also denotes being responsible for those under your dominion. And I'm not sure I agree with the term food chain.
 
Guys, I don't personally have a problem with you discussing vegetarianism as it relates to your religious beliefs, just please be careful how deep you take your discussions. If you go too far into it, the vegetarian club could get shut down for religious content by a moderator.

Sorry, what I wrote came from pure history and science-but I doubt if I would be able to back that up without sounding like I was promoting religion again.
 
Actually, we teach health principles and each person is allowed to take as far as they want. It isnt a point of faith-there a many who eat meat (they tend to more careful which meats they eat, though). And a lot are like me-I eat dairy products occasionally. But we have a college just east of Sacramento that is totally vegan. Thats the only one I know of personally, but I know there are more. I have known a lot of vegans over the years too. Along with our schools, we have a world wide network of hospitals also. Loma Linda University and Hospital may be one you recognise.

I'm intrigued by how vegetarianism connects to your religion. It's not part of the religion to be vegetarian, it's instead part of the church doctrines? How did vegetarianism find it's way into your christian based faith where it didn't in others? What's the origin of it as part of your belief system?

What's the name of the all vegan college? Is it open to members of your faith only?

If you feel like answering any of my questions will go too deeply into religious content for the board rules feel free to pm or email me too.
 

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