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VERY Interesting article on the Guitar's Demise.....

Kind of tangential, but here's another issue with the idea of marketing a guitar player rather than the reverse. I found this guitar - and artist - because I was looking at something else on MusicMan's site -

St. Vincent | Guitars | Ernie Ball Music Man

Very cool guitar, 'different', hip artist, doing something completely different with guitar. All cool.

$2100 street value. C'monnnn...

Artists need to inspire the next generation. Manufacturers need to put the artist's gear into consumers hands.

The St. Vincent medium scale bass is in the works too!
 
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Yes... music insiders know that they've been on the way out since at least 1962.

The man who rejected the Beatles

Or, for those in a hurry, the condensed version:

"Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein," sincerely, Dick Rowe, record company genius and musical visionary.

Do you have any anecdotal evidence that is more recent that half a century ago? :laugh:

Seriously, though, do you foresee a cyclical and inevitable return to guitar-wielding rock stars?


My Dad used to advise, "Plenty of room at the top, it's the bottom that's crowded." That being somewhat true, where is the great American rock back to rise out of nowhere and not only reclaim the crown but save the entire genre? It is pretty curious that there is not ONE young bandleader with the chops, strategic smarts and players to tailor a band that can fill the void that only grows larger with the death of each Scott Weiland or Chris Cornell.

Either the audience is not there, or there simply is no worthy band in the country today. Which is it? Maybe both?
 
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Kind of tangential, but here's another issue with the idea of marketing a guitar player rather than the reverse. I found this guitar - and artist - because I was looking at something else on MusicMan's site -

St. Vincent | Guitars | Ernie Ball Music Man

Very cool guitar, 'different', hip artist, doing something completely different with guitar. All cool.

$2100 street value. C'monnnn...

Artists need to inspire the next generation. Manufacturers need to put the artist's gear into consumers hands.

I agree, that price is way too high considering the way her audience skews. It should be more Matt Freeman MIM priced.
 
Do you have any anecdotal evidence that is more recent that half a century ago? :laugh:

Seriously, though, do you foresee a cyclical and inevitable return to guitar-wielding rock stars?


My Dad used to advise, "Plenty of room at the top, it's the bottom that's crowded." That being somewhat true, where is the great American rock back to rise out of nowhere and not only reclaim the crown but save the entire genre? It is pretty curious that there is not ONE young bandleader with the chops, strategic smarts and players to tailor a band that can fill the void that only grows larger with the death of each Scott Weiland or Chris Cornell.

Either the audience is not there, or there simply is no worthy band in the country today. Which is it? Maybe both?


Well..... I can see that sarcasm isn't always conveyed effectively in a web forum. lulz.

Actually I don't see a return to rock stars in the near future. However, there will always be guitar gods, well known or not.
 
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Disney is one of the largest media companies in the world, with TV shows, movies, books, magazines, a record company, video games, online presence, etc. They own Lucasfilm, Marvel Studios, ABC, A&E, ESPN, and Lifetime. If they want to push someone, they have the media channels to do it.

Fender and Gibson make instruments. How is Fender or Gibson going to get Guitar Player X into the eyes and ears of the public? Honestly, it seems like if they could, they would have already done so.
Like I mentioned in my comment, it was not an apples to apples comparison. While an instrument maker like Fender or Gibson doesn't have that much reach, there is plenty they could do. They could push video and written content with the numerous musician magazines/websites/YouTube-channels, they could put out content on their own social media platforms, they could push advertisements into music shops where their products are sold, they could help the guitarist in question with tour planning to get them more lucrative venues/dates, they could do heavily sponsored tours/events. I think in the scheme of things, even pushing all of that would be a relatively minor expense for a big company like Fender or Gibson, and they could potentially bring someone really talented to the forefront.

I mentioned earlier in this thread somewhere that I think the concept of a "corporate rock millionaire" is dead...but the more thought I put into this idea I think that might not be true. The idea of a musician becoming popular on their own and rising up to a "corporate rock millionaire" type status is probably dead, but the idea of a company making their own "corporate rock millionaire" sounds pretty new and fresh to me. Sure, they'd immediately be (rightly) labeled a sellout...but in the scheme of things that may not be a bad thing.
 
Like I mentioned in my comment, it was not an apples to apples comparison. While an instrument maker like Fender or Gibson doesn't have that much reach, there is plenty they could do. They could push video and written content with the numerous musician magazines/websites/YouTube-channels, they could put out content on their own social media platforms, they could push advertisements into music shops where their products are sold, they could help the guitarist in question with tour planning to get them more lucrative venues/dates, they could do heavily sponsored tours/events. I think in the scheme of things, even pushing all of that would be a relatively minor expense for a big company like Fender or Gibson, and they could potentially bring someone really talented to the forefront.

I mentioned earlier in this thread somewhere that I think the concept of a "corporate rock millionaire" is dead...but the more thought I put into this idea I think that might not be true. The idea of a musician becoming popular on their own and rising up to a "corporate rock millionaire" type status is probably dead, but the idea of a company making their own "corporate rock millionaire" sounds pretty new and fresh to me. Sure, they'd immediately be (rightly) labeled a sellout...but in the scheme of things that may not be a bad thing.

That's been going on for years now. Not really a novel idea.
 
I suspect that Disney's advertising budget could swallow the entirety of Fender and hardly notice.

You're asking Fender to find a guitarist and promote them to household-name status, in the hope that this guitarist inspires enough new players to be worth the millions Fender will have spent on this gamble.
Like I said, it's not an apples to apples comparison. Disney is easily a zillion times bigger and more influential than Fender. That said, I believe it's definitely within the realm of possibility. I don't think it'd be anywhere near millions for Fender to do something like that, either.
 
That's been going on for years now. Not really a novel idea.
All the guitar makers sponsor loads of people, and that has been going on forever. I'm talking about a bigger push/investment around a single artist.

If today, Fender plucked up a young, handsome, and talented guitarist, and over the next 5 years put his face on the cover of magazines, did loads of videos with him, helped him travel around the world on tours with big artists, and more-or-less made that guitarist THE Fender guy, I imagine all of us would know his name.
 
I'm not trying to bag on you EMoney; I'm just not seeing what you're seeing.
It's no problem...we're just chatting on TB...no pressure here.

Fully understanding that it's impossible to take them seriously, look at Babymetal and other "idol" musicians in Japan/Korea. Talent agencies just pick some people up, lay out a path, push them down it, and there you go...

Lots of today's big artists on the scene are really heavily tied to brands...Pepsi/Coke, Beats, Apple...etc...is it really a stretch to think that someday a major guitar player, say on the caliber of Eric Clapton, is a guy Pepsi sponsored from the beginning? If some company sees the value in them and puts money behind them, why can't they be the next Guitar God? It's really just an extension of how sponsorships have worked for brands in the past.

Sure, it's corporate shill music, but if the artist behind it is talented would anybody care that much?

A big part of this is that guitar driven music isn't super popular right now...but these things tend to be cyclical.
 
I would argue that it is taking longer than they thought, but it absolutely is happening.

Name a market in which rock music has gotten larger or stronger.....or even maintained....since then. L.A.? Seattle? New YorK? Hardly.

Name a LOCAL music scene here there are more....or even AS MANY....live rock music venues as there were in 1991. Possibly Nashville and that's about it. And those guys play for tips mostly. Everywhere within 100 miles of me the live music scene is on a ventilator with a weak heartbeat.

Show me the number of rock bands on ANY top 20 lists. Downloads? Streams? Track/album Sales? Ticket sales? There will be a few. But the "other side" DOMINATES in all categories.

Maybe a few legends do OK on tour....Springsteen, etc. All of the "rock gods" have to play festivals or multi-band shows (Styx with REO Speedwagon touring together for instance) to sell out shows. Up and coming rock bands pay to play because there is no money from fans in their markets.

The working "rock" musicians I know of moved to Nashville to take country music tours so they can eat. The most successful "rock" band ever from my area "went country" to hit the charts. They had a few chart hits in that market and still haven't made a career out of it. They were a rock band here for two decades. They toured opening from Lenny Kravits, Stone Tample Pilots, etc. They recorded two rock albums with major labels that never went anywhere. Now they are "country". They had spiked hair and showed their tats for twenty years. These days they wear vests and white dress shirts. Heck, even Bon Jovi, Uncle Cracker, Kid Rock, Aaron Lewis, Darius Rucker, Ween and others have "gone country". Steven Tyler (Aerosmith singer) is recording a solo country album on Taylor Swift's Big Machine record label as we speak.

The guitar is not dead. But it is not as "healthy" as it used to be.....by far. Rock music is in the waiting room waiting to see the doctor for a checkup.

Short version: Show me any proof that rock is maintaining or growing when compared to R&B, pop country and others. I can't find any but I hope you can prove me wrong.

No proof but it's not going away. I play country and there guitar is still king
 
Not just kids. Yesterday I forgot my phone at home, went to lunch and just sat waiting for my food, listening to the background music and people watching. Everyone of every age was buried in their phone.

I've given talks recently about our new mixed realities and am asked what I think is coming. My three growth industries for the next decade or two:

1. digital forensics - trying to understand what constitutes veracity in a post-evidence world
2. personal counter surveillance - at some point people will catch on to how much of their lives they are giving away and decide that data has more value than companies are providing.
3. unplugging - the singularity is BS (Kurzweil is wrong imho), and some will reach a point where they will want/need to reconnect with nature.

There is a whole other set of waves of redefining self in digital worlds. For those who are gluttons for punishment: Link Removed
Kurzweil has quite the grift going, eh?
 
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