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Victor or Jaco?
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are we talking victor bailey or victor wooten here?
Wooten beats all of course. All of the jaco stuff I've listened to has bored me to death. Many times it sounds like hes playing random notes. He sounds like a horn sometimes too
Wooten beats all of course. All of the jaco stuff I've listened to has bored me to death. Many times it sounds like hes playing random notes. He sounds like a horn sometimes too
Jaco was a significant person in the way that he changed the way his instrument was going to be played in the future... and he actually had a little impact on jazz as a whole, acknowledged by many "serious" jazz musicians.
Victor Wooten knows his instrument very well and can groove good in a couple of styles, but I heard him play some **** like "cherokee" and "giant steps" using nonmusical jerk-off slap stuff.. that's just lame and IMO, it isn't jazz... not jazz worth listening to at least...
/lovebown
Victor Wooten knows his instrument very well and can groove good in a couple of styles, but I heard him play some **** like "cherokee" and "giant steps" using nonmusical jerk-off slap stuff.. that's just lame and IMO, it isn't jazz... not jazz worth listening to at least...
/lovebown
I LOVE them both, but I think I like the Vickter just a little bit better. Sometimes Jaco is just a little "to out there" for me. And that's saying a lot since I dig a lot of jazzy/out there/avant-garde/expiermental stuff.
Jaco vs. Stanley would be a more suitable comparison, since Jaco created something that wasn't there prior to himself, as did Stanley. Altough, I know that Jaco was definately influenced by TOP and Prestia's 16th note thing, so who's to say. Vic is definately from the Stanley school of playing, so there is no real comparison here. IMO Vic has taken what is already there and added tremondous flash and technique to it... and there's nothing groundbreaking going on harmonically, as opposed to some of the things I've heard Jaco play.
Totally silly topic. But I voted for Victor because some people voted against him just because he slaps.
How true is that?
Victor Wooten makes me wanna go practise lots of technique and invent lots of weird things with funny names. His albums, especially live in America make me wanna dance around the room. They make me smile a lot!
Jaco Pastorius makes me wanna cry, i just read
"JACO: JACO PASTORIUS" and his life story and music are just so full of genius and contrast. Jaco was a supreme musician.
I love both of there music, you can't compare both of there creativity and visions they really are a set of unique apples and oranges.
As to which is better.. I believe If Jaco were still alive today he would be the most badass bass player around... however.. he is not.. and while he is amazing, and every (well most every) bass player credits him as an influence, I think Victor may have him edged on technique wise... composing.. well thats another story
Personally Im amazed that the vote is as close as it is
In my opinion Jaco got the grand slam of musisianhood .He was a great arranger ,composer and a brilliant Istrumentalist who changed and reinvented the intrument he chose to play.I think To do one of those things "great" is a huge acomplishment. But all three is unheard of. the select club of musicians who pulled that off (new thread anyone?) would be only a handful.
Victor is a great bass player He's got chops and technique to run circles around Jaco. he slaps he taps he can play the hell out of the bass guitar. if it could be said that he "changed the sound and was a Major contibiter to the bass" then Id have to agree he got one of the things to the slam.
One thing to consider is that we saw a demise of Jaco arguably 5-6 Years of it. theres alot of messed up notes that mabye we shouldnt consider. Victor is obviously a more stable and self loving person and it shows in a consistancy and growth. Whith any luck we wont see his decline untill he's like how segovia was at the end of his brilliant life.
AJ
In my opinion Jaco got the grand slam of musisianhood .He was a great arranger ,composer and a brilliant Istrumentalist who changed and reinvented the intrument he chose to play.I think To do one of those things "great" is a huge acomplishment. But all three is unheard of. the select club of musicians who pulled that off (new thread anyone?) would be only a handful.
Victor is a great bass player He's got chops and technique to run circles around Jaco. he slaps he taps he can play the hell out of the bass guitar. if it could be said that he "changed the sound and was a Major contibiter to the bass" then Id have to agree he got one of the things to the slam.
One thing to consider is that we saw a demise of Jaco arguably 5-6 Years of it. theres alot of messed up notes that mabye we shouldnt consider. Victor is obviously a more stable and self loving person and it shows in a consistancy and growth. Whith any luck we wont see his decline untill he's like how segovia was at the end of his brilliant life.
AJ
Jaco is way more versatile than Victor Wooten. Like someone in this thread said, sometimes I think Victor just likes to slap his way out of a solo
(i.e. Giant Steps). Everyone know's that Scott Henderson's solo had a longer/better solo...why?...because he's just better at his instrument. Also I've never heard a Victor composition/arrangement that I have ever cared to take the time to sit through. I mean, c'mon I wasted 20 freakin' dollars on Victor Wooten - Live in America!!! That is the sorriest cd i've ever heard, and I know that i'm not alone when I say that.
Jaco's phrasing was/is sometimes just way ahead of Victor's in my opinion. Jaco's done more styles of music than Victor has, or probably ever will. Versatility is everthing.
I think it's kinda like comparing Vinnie Colaiuta to Virgil Donati. Virgil is better as far as technicality is concerned, but Vinnie's just a million miles ahead of Virgil as far as musicianship (and hands) is concerned.
(i.e. Giant Steps). Everyone know's that Scott Henderson's solo had a longer/better solo...why?...because he's just better at his instrument. Also I've never heard a Victor composition/arrangement that I have ever cared to take the time to sit through. I mean, c'mon I wasted 20 freakin' dollars on Victor Wooten - Live in America!!! That is the sorriest cd i've ever heard, and I know that i'm not alone when I say that.
Jaco's phrasing was/is sometimes just way ahead of Victor's in my opinion. Jaco's done more styles of music than Victor has, or probably ever will. Versatility is everthing.
I think it's kinda like comparing Vinnie Colaiuta to Virgil Donati. Virgil is better as far as technicality is concerned, but Vinnie's just a million miles ahead of Virgil as far as musicianship (and hands) is concerned.
Well Vic or jaco, hmmm.
I think musically Jaco was the more brilliant one, while Vic on the other hand is the sonically more brilliant one.
To me though, Stanley Clarke is the Bassplayer who is sonically AND musically on a very high level. I can't mention any bassplayer who is as good as Stanley in both departments at ones.
Stanley is a living legend, if you listen to some of his 70's albums you can hear he's not only technical, but he's a gaint composer also. And you can feel tons of emotion in his solos, Jaco had tons of emotion in his playing to but NOT the sheer power Stanley displayed.
I think musically Jaco was the more brilliant one, while Vic on the other hand is the sonically more brilliant one.
To me though, Stanley Clarke is the Bassplayer who is sonically AND musically on a very high level. I can't mention any bassplayer who is as good as Stanley in both departments at ones.
Stanley is a living legend, if you listen to some of his 70's albums you can hear he's not only technical, but he's a gaint composer also. And you can feel tons of emotion in his solos, Jaco had tons of emotion in his playing to but NOT the sheer power Stanley displayed.
alexclaber
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Victor's a monster technician, no doubt about that. But I don't feel his music anywhere near as deeply as I feel Jaco's - when it comes to emotional expression Jaco is on another level to the majority of musicians out there, regardless of the instrument they play. Victor on the other hand, is the ultimate badass jazz funk bass player.
Don't forget though that Victor grew up with a bass in his hands - he started playing at age 3 or younger and gigging not much later. Jaco wasn't playing bass seriously until his late teens and look how quickly he got great.
Another similar artist was Buddy Rich - performing live aged 18 months - he grew up with music. He musical vocabulary developed side by side with learning the english vocabulary.
This gets me thinking - just because someone has impeccable technique and can play anything they hear in their head, does that make them a great artist? Just because someone has a fantastic grasp of grammar and an endless vocabulary does that make them a great writer, or does it make them someone who could be a great writer if they had something to say?
Both Victor and Buddy grew up with their instruments and so are mindblowing technicians and players - but who considers them significant composers? And can anyone be a brilliant soloist if they are not a composer? Surely soloing is just composing on the fly within a prescribed framework.
Just my few cents,
Alex
Don't forget though that Victor grew up with a bass in his hands - he started playing at age 3 or younger and gigging not much later. Jaco wasn't playing bass seriously until his late teens and look how quickly he got great.
Another similar artist was Buddy Rich - performing live aged 18 months - he grew up with music. He musical vocabulary developed side by side with learning the english vocabulary.
This gets me thinking - just because someone has impeccable technique and can play anything they hear in their head, does that make them a great artist? Just because someone has a fantastic grasp of grammar and an endless vocabulary does that make them a great writer, or does it make them someone who could be a great writer if they had something to say?
Both Victor and Buddy grew up with their instruments and so are mindblowing technicians and players - but who considers them significant composers? And can anyone be a brilliant soloist if they are not a composer? Surely soloing is just composing on the fly within a prescribed framework.
Just my few cents,
Alex
Well said. Victor has IMO a more flashy, chop-oriented style, whereas Jaco IMO was more about the groove.
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