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Wal Bass Club.

I wouldn't hesitate to get to get the Wal converted from fretless to fretted. It seems from my observations that fretted Wals, including one that have been converted from fretless to fretted, seem to be more sell-able on the second hand market in comparison to fretless Wals. I recommend that you make sure it is done by somebody who will do the job well / correctly.


Hi everyone, I'm a newbie here. Joined ages ago, but this is my first post. Hope you don’t mind me jumping in on this thread with a question?

I’ve been a sound engineer most of my life and have played bass on & off since I was 15 - time allowing. I bought a used 1984 Wal Mk1 lined fretless in the mid 90’s, which I still own. When I got it the fingerboard had been badly lacquered (a DIY job), so I got the guys at the Bass Gallery in Camden to re-lap it and set it all up. They really know their stuff and did a great job, but since then, I haven’t used the bass very much - I’m not a very good fretless player and I’ve only kept it for sentimental reasons (having grown up in the 80’s as a fan of Mick Karn, amongst others)

Fast forward to now. I’ve booked the bass in at the Bass Gallery to have a couple of jobs done (new battery clip and a full service) with a view to selling it. While I was there, they mentioned that it was an easy job to put frets on it if I wanted to. I would LOVE to have frets on this bass - with them it would be a keeper for me, no doubt! The Bass Gallery said the fret cuts are already there and the job isn’t particularly expensive at £180.

My immediate thought was, what will it do to the value of the bass? They said that they wouldn’t recommend doing this to say a vintage fretless Fender, but the custom nature of Wals makes them different and he didn’t think it was a problem. Besides, if I didn’t like it, it would be an equally easy job to remove them again and put the neck back how it was - another £75 I think he said.

I gave them go-ahead to fit the frets, but now I’m wobbling and have sent an email asking them to just do a service instead, but I’ve sent it with a slightly heavy heart. I don’t really want to sell the bass and I would really love to own a fretted Wal, but I’m worried that this work might trash the value. What do you guys think? All options gratefully received!!
 
It seems from my observations that fretted Wals, including one that have been converted from fretless to fretted, seem to be more sell-able on the second hand market in comparison to fretless Wals.

I wonder why that is? My initial interest in Wal basses (and still) came from fretless wal players like Mick Karn, John Giblin and Percy Jones etc. That's the tone that I have in mind when I think of Wal basses and also when I play them.
Must be the Tool (or maybe Geddy) thing.
 
It is only a guess but it might be because fretted bass seems to be more popular than fretless. Fretless Wals sounds great but if it were my first Wal i would def be wanting to buy a fretted Wal before considering a fretless.

I wonder why that is? My initial interest in Wal basses (and still) came from fretless wal players like Mick Karn, John Giblin and Percy Jones etc. That's the tone that I have in mind when I think of Wal basses and also when I play them.
Must be the Tool (or maybe Geddy) thing.
 
There are loads of fretted-converted Wals floating around, especially done by the Bass Gallery. Do it of it makes all the difference. Sure didnt affect their selling prices when they got moved on.
+1
If anything i would say it raises the re-sale value. Typically an exact same spec'd MKI fretted will be $1000+ more on todays market.
Would you agree Mike?
 
No longer available - 1990 Wal Mk2 5 String Shedua

It's this bass. Stop selling to this clown!

That is my TB listing - was selling that bass and a few others that belonged to a friend who recently passed away. After a few days I pitched the sale over to a local friend who has an actual shop because dealing with the tirekickers/flakes/lowballers on this site has become unbearable lately. The fella in Colorado paid the asking price.
 
Oz is a standup guy. He was selling on behalf of an unfortunate scenario that occurred with the owner of that bass. Sometimes you can't choose where the bass goes or what the new owner might plan to do with it. In this case the buyer is obviously a gouger but the funds from the sale went to a worthy cause. Pretty lousy of the buyer if you ask me. Karma is a bitch.

No longer available - 1990 Wal Mk2 5 String Shedua

It's this bass. Stop selling to this clown!
 
That is my TB listing - was selling that bass and a few others that belonged to a friend who recently passed away. After a few days I pitched the sale over to a local friend who has an actual shop because dealing with the tirekickers/flakes/lowballers on this site has become unbearable lately. The fella in Colorado paid the asking price.
Looks like the Colorado guy is re-selling it ;
Wal Mk2 5 String Bass Guitar 1990 Schedua w Original Wal Hard Case | eBay
 
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That is my TB listing - was selling that bass and a few others that belonged to a friend who recently passed away. After a few days I pitched the sale over to a local friend who has an actual shop because dealing with the tirekickers/flakes/lowballers on this site has become unbearable lately. The fella in Colorado paid the asking price.

Oz is a standup guy. He was selling on behalf of an unfortunate scenario that occurred with the owner of that bass. Sometimes you can't choose where the bass goes or what the new owner might plan to do with it. In this case the buyer is obviously a gouger but the funds from the sale went to a worthy cause. Pretty lousy of the buyer if you ask me. Karma is a bitch.

I’m totally happy the funds went to a great cause and my post was more of a broad statement and definitely wasn’t directed at Oz. There have been several of us who have crossed paths with that buyer and the results were not so nice. He’s reliable in following through with a sale on either end, but he has had a history of misrepresenting items and then becoming belligerent once he was caught or called out on. To my knowledge he was run out of this community after trying to cover his tracks. Karma is truly a b****.

Seriously though, very happy the bass sold for a worthy cause. No jealously factor here because I can’t afford one anytime soon!
 
Hi everyone, I'm a newbie here. Joined ages ago, but this is my first post. Hope you don’t mind me jumping in on this thread with a question?

I’ve been a sound engineer most of my life and have played bass on & off since I was 15 - time allowing. I bought a used 1984 Wal Mk1 lined fretless in the mid 90’s, which I still own. When I got it the fingerboard had been badly lacquered (a DIY job), so I got the guys at the Bass Gallery in Camden to re-lap it and set it all up. They really know their stuff and did a great job, but since then, I haven’t used the bass very much - I’m not a very good fretless player and I’ve only kept it for sentimental reasons (having grown up in the 80’s as a fan of Mick Karn, amongst others)

Fast forward to now. I’ve booked the bass in at the Bass Gallery to have a couple of jobs done (new battery clip and a full service) with a view to selling it. While I was there, they mentioned that it was an easy job to put frets on it if I wanted to. I would LOVE to have frets on this bass - with them it would be a keeper for me, no doubt! The Bass Gallery said the fret cuts are already there and the job isn’t particularly expensive at £180.

My immediate thought was, what will it do to the value of the bass? They said that they wouldn’t recommend doing this to say a vintage fretless Fender, but the custom nature of Wals makes them different and he didn’t think it was a problem. Besides, if I didn’t like it, it would be an equally easy job to remove them again and put the neck back how it was - another £75 I think he said.

I gave them go-ahead to fit the frets, but now I’m wobbling and have sent an email asking them to just do a service instead, but I’ve sent it with a slightly heavy heart. I don’t really want to sell the bass and I would really love to own a fretted Wal, but I’m worried that this work might trash the value. What do you guys think? All options gratefully received!!

Do it. Guy knows what hes talking about. Converting a fretted to fretless will actually bring up the "value".... typically fretless counterparts to a fretted is average $1k more....as long as it's done professionally and everything else checks out, you'll be alright.


Is that kinda high? I thought Wals from this era (like mine) are more in the 5k range.

Ya 2-3 years ago..... prices for new Wals keep climbing up and used Wal prices follow the same rate.
 
Hi everyone, I'm a newbie here. Joined ages ago, but this is my first post. Hope you don’t mind me jumping in on this thread with a question?

I’ve been a sound engineer most of my life and have played bass on & off since I was 15 - time allowing. I bought a used 1984 Wal Mk1 lined fretless in the mid 90’s, which I still own. When I got it the fingerboard had been badly lacquered (a DIY job), so I got the guys at the Bass Gallery in Camden to re-lap it and set it all up. They really know their stuff and did a great job, but since then, I haven’t used the bass very much - I’m not a very good fretless player and I’ve only kept it for sentimental reasons (having grown up in the 80’s as a fan of Mick Karn, amongst others)

Fast forward to now. I’ve booked the bass in at the Bass Gallery to have a couple of jobs done (new battery clip and a full service) with a view to selling it. While I was there, they mentioned that it was an easy job to put frets on it if I wanted to. I would LOVE to have frets on this bass - with them it would be a keeper for me, no doubt! The Bass Gallery said the fret cuts are already there and the job isn’t particularly expensive at £180.

My immediate thought was, what will it do to the value of the bass? They said that they wouldn’t recommend doing this to say a vintage fretless Fender, but the custom nature of Wals makes them different and he didn’t think it was a problem. Besides, if I didn’t like it, it would be an equally easy job to remove them again and put the neck back how it was - another £75 I think he said.

I gave them go-ahead to fit the frets, but now I’m wobbling and have sent an email asking them to just do a service instead, but I’ve sent it with a slightly heavy heart. I don’t really want to sell the bass and I would really love to own a fretted Wal, but I’m worried that this work might trash the value. What do you guys think? All options gratefully received!!
I wouldn’t hesitate to have the guys at The Gallery fret up a lined fretless for me. I can’t imagine that the resale value would be affected much - plus you will get a bass you’ll want to play and will probably fall in love with all over again, in which case, for now, the resale value will be moot. Martin Petersen and his team are top quality techs! It’s not like you’re asking to get a hack job done by some noob!

If I were you I’d send them back another email, un-wobbling your wobble!
 
You should try 45-125 Fodera Strings Mike. You might like them.....or better yet....try even lighter with the 40 to 120's. They're pretty amazing strings! They're not cheap though just as Jason mentioned above.......but they don't disappoint. You can get them in both nickel or stainless too.

I use Fodera 45-125 nickel strings on my Fodera/Wal. They sound great.
 
yep. The horses ass who sold me an “all stock Modulus” that ended up being a fretless converged to fretted. And badly at that. Dude tried to argue it wasn’t. Amateur hour. I had to eat shipping back to him which wasn’t cheap but it was worth being able to trash him here whenever he tries to gouge on something.

This guy you speak of Roger just told me this week he once shipped a Carl Thompson bass to Canada and it was held at the border for 7 months. From what I've just read....sounds like he has a reputation.
 
I wouldn’t hesitate to have the guys at The Gallery fret up a lined fretless for me. I can’t imagine that the resale value would be affected much - plus you will get a bass you’ll want to play and will probably fall in love with all over again, in which case, for now, the resale value will be moot. Martin Petersen and his team are top quality techs! It’s not like you’re asking to get a hack job done by some noob!

If I were you I’d send them back another email, un-wobbling your wobble!

I think I'm going to do exactly that Trevor. I have the highest respect for the guys in the Gallery, that was never in question. I guess I just wanted some other opinions.
 
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Years ago, I bought a fretless birdseye maple MK-1 /lined from Chris and Allan at the Bass Center here in LA in the late 80's, I believe. There were so few of them that came in to the states, I decided to buy it. I never got on with the fretless and I stupidly sold it. I had a few hang ups about it at the time. I felt my musicman's covered that sound but I was wrong.
I should have fretted it, and kept it.

Having really regretted it for years, I had put in an email to Wal to find out how much to get another one. I was amazed at how much they were! I was at the Airport at 3am and my quote from Electric wood came in. I had a further eye opener with that new pricing with what I wanted!
Coincidentally, I was eyeballing a gloss lined fretless in England (at the same time) that popped up, a Schedua one, it was spendy too! Little did I know how many people were on that one as well. They don't pop up a lot! I literally bought it five minutes after i got the quote, one minute before I got to the counter at LAX!

I was side PM'ing with one of our bros (MikeWals) here on Talk Bass, he had great info. The bass was a little worked from 89 but still cool.
I ended up getting it, and I fretted it with Stainless Steel frets, and fixed some of the finish. It might be the most I have ever spent on a bass in my life, between customs and VAT, but I really have no regrets. It's already increased in value and plus it has been on my bucket list for years. The MK-1 is so iconic, I love the body and the sound, it really is unique.

The idea to fret it was a no brainer for me as re-sale is not as much a concern these days when i purchase stuff as it is playability and something I try to play and keep. The fretboard is thinner on my fretless (Ebony) (at least on mine) so the Stainless steel vintage fret decision was made, (shout out to my bud) & great bass player/wal owner and pickup guru Howard Ulyate. Anyway, Tina Wood at The Amp Shop / Bass Exchange did the work. It looks and plays so flawlessly now. Love this community. People pull together. Fret it. That said... now I want a fretless too!
 
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This guy you speak of Roger just told me this week he once shipped a Carl Thompson bass to Canada and it was held at the border for 7 months. From what I've just read....sounds like he has a reputation.

He seems to around these parts. I had only one dealing with him but it was bad enough to leave a bad taste.

My impression is he is a serial flipper. Buys high end gear, turns around and lists it at a significant premium. Nothing wrong with that if you are honorable and know your stuff. Matt Umanov's prices were 20-25% above market but what you got was him standing behind every single piece of vintage gear he sold.

In my case, it was clear this seller didn't even know what he had, probably because he turned around and listed it for sale the minute it got in his hands and he didn't spend time checking out what he had, it's condition, etc.

To be transparent, I bought a Modulus Q5. It was listed as all stock in perfect condition except for some clouding in one area of the finish.

When I got the bass I started playing it and the neck felt way thick (like the fat size of a baseball bat). Too thick for a Q5. So I take a close look and I see multiple side dot markers- one normal size dot in the normal place and small one one AT the fret. At the octaves there were two normal sized ones in the normal place and two small ones AT the fret. And the FB was very tick so it was immediately clear that it was converted from fretless. And because the fretless FB is a little thicker, with frets the neck was horrible to play.

I reach out to him with pics and he flat out denies it. I was able to resolve it but it was not pleasant. Here is the dialog between us (I still had this in my messages)


Me: Hi there. The modulus bass arrived today. Upon quick inspection it is evident that the bass was actually seriously modified. This bass was once a fretless bass and was converted to a fretted bass. Unfortunately this was not disclosed in your listing (which claims the instrument is 100% original with no mods). Had this been disclosed I would not have purchased the instrument. I’m attaching pictures where you can see clearly that there were one small dot markers right below where the frets have been placed. Such placement of small dot markers was the norm for modulus fretless basses.

I am going to initiate the process for a refund. Again, sorry to be the bearer of bad news.


Him: HI, Thanks for writing to address your concern.
I can see why you might think that this was once a fretless but that is not the case. We purchased this from the original owner and he said he bought it exactly as it is. Never had frets added.
It is a great bass and plays perfectly. No issues.

Me: Respectfully, that is not acceptable. It is not my desire to get into a hostile dialog with you, but did it occur to you that the guy who sold it in to you could have lied to you? Or perhaps he was not the first owner after all?

I am not a difficult buyer and almost never return what I buy. I am a player and bona fide collector. I am often sought out on bass guitar forums for my knowledge and expertise on various bass guitars, and I can tell you with absolute certainty that this bass was converted from fretless. It took me one look up and down the fingerboard to sniff that out and frankly I am surprise you did not notice the same thing. I also sent those pictures to a luthier friend of mine who verified the same thing.

I notice that the pictures in your listing do not show this side of the fingerboard so a potential buyer would have no way of sniffing this out before buying. I will assume that this is just a coincidence.

Again, I do not wish to be the bearer of bad news but this bass was almost $2k and it is not what was described so I am again requesting a refund. I ask you to reconsider your position as I am prepared to escalate this accordingly with reverb and paypal and with my credit card company. If this bass is as good as you say, then you should have no problem selling it again at this price.

Thank you and should you wish to call me, I can be reached at ###-###-####

Him: I have no desire to get into a hostile dialogue either. If you are not happy, send it back.


Of course from there he tried convincing me to keep it for $100 back, then $200 back, etc. but I wasn't having it. I will never know if he knew what he had and tried pulling one before he realized he couldn't or what. But at the very least, it was weird if he didn't know what he had so either way this guy is on my no fly list. A shame because he does have nice stuff.

Anyway, there you have it.
 
He seems to around these parts. I had only one dealing with him but it was bad enough to leave a bad taste.

My impression is he is a serial flipper. Buys high end gear, turns around and lists it at a significant premium. Nothing wrong with that if you are honorable and know your stuff. Matt Umanov's prices were 20-25% above market but what you got was him standing behind every single piece of vintage gear he sold.

In my case, it was clear this seller didn't even know what he had, probably because he turned around and listed it for sale the minute it got in his hands and he didn't spend time checking out what he had, it's condition, etc.

To be transparent, I bought a Modulus Q5. It was listed as all stock in perfect condition except for some clouding in one area of the finish.

When I got the bass I started playing it and the neck felt way thick (like the fat size of a baseball bat). Too thick for a Q5. So I take a close look and I see multiple side dot markers- one normal size dot in the normal place and small one one AT the fret. At the octaves there were two normal sized ones in the normal place and two small ones AT the fret. And the FB was very tick so it was immediately clear that it was converted from fretless. And because the fretless FB is a little thicker, with frets the neck was horrible to play.

I reach out to him with pics and he flat out denies it. I was able to resolve it but it was not pleasant. Here is the dialog between us (I still had this in my messages)


Me: Hi there. The modulus bass arrived today. Upon quick inspection it is evident that the bass was actually seriously modified. This bass was once a fretless bass and was converted to a fretted bass. Unfortunately this was not disclosed in your listing (which claims the instrument is 100% original with no mods). Had this been disclosed I would not have purchased the instrument. I’m attaching pictures where you can see clearly that there were one small dot markers right below where the frets have been placed. Such placement of small dot markers was the norm for modulus fretless basses.

I am going to initiate the process for a refund. Again, sorry to be the bearer of bad news.


Him: HI, Thanks for writing to address your concern.
I can see why you might think that this was once a fretless but that is not the case. We purchased this from the original owner and he said he bought it exactly as it is. Never had frets added.
It is a great bass and plays perfectly. No issues.

Me: Respectfully, that is not acceptable. It is not my desire to get into a hostile dialog with you, but did it occur to you that the guy who sold it in to you could have lied to you? Or perhaps he was not the first owner after all?

I am not a difficult buyer and almost never return what I buy. I am a player and bona fide collector. I am often sought out on bass guitar forums for my knowledge and expertise on various bass guitars, and I can tell you with absolute certainty that this bass was converted from fretless. It took me one look up and down the fingerboard to sniff that out and frankly I am surprise you did not notice the same thing. I also sent those pictures to a luthier friend of mine who verified the same thing.

I notice that the pictures in your listing do not show this side of the fingerboard so a potential buyer would have no way of sniffing this out before buying. I will assume that this is just a coincidence.

Again, I do not wish to be the bearer of bad news but this bass was almost $2k and it is not what was described so I am again requesting a refund. I ask you to reconsider your position as I am prepared to escalate this accordingly with reverb and paypal and with my credit card company. If this bass is as good as you say, then you should have no problem selling it again at this price.

Thank you and should you wish to call me, I can be reached at ###-###-####

Him: I have no desire to get into a hostile dialogue either. If you are not happy, send it back.


Of course from there he tried convincing me to keep it for $100 back, then $200 back, etc. but I wasn't having it. I will never know if he knew what he had and tried pulling one before he realized he couldn't or what. But at the very least, it was weird if he didn't know what he had so either way this guy is on my no fly list. A shame because he does have nice stuff.

Anyway, there you have it.

I am totally shocked he didn't engage in some hostility, because several of us have been on the receiving end of some. He was off his meds or something because he would not stop even when I was clear I was done with the conversation. It was childish banter and pretty disturbing. He's been run out of other internet communities for similar problems where he was challenged over an item's validity. There was a thread on here where he got caught trying to cover his tracks by editing his posts and that was his ultimate demise to the best of my knowledge. If he's still lurking around he's not doing it publicly, so buyer/seller beware.
 
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